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McLaren P1 LM (road-legal P1 GTR) Nürburgring laptime

Discussion in 'Chit Chat Room' started by Epistolarius, May 26, 2017.

  1. mantasisg 2

    mantasisg 2 Alien

    It is amazing how the car is jumping everywhere, most impressive take off for me at 2:44
     
  2. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    Yep, pretty crazy. What could it be? Was the car not set up well, or are the downforce figures BS (660kg at 150mph for P1 GTR, 40% increase over that in P1 LM?), downforce balance isn't there, or the tyres are just really not up to the task, or...

    All in all seems like the car could be a lot quicker.
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2017
  3. mantasisg 2

    mantasisg 2 Alien

    Maybe thats because car is very stiff and that hump is rather significant at that speed. There were many places when it was jumping like that. Maybe it has some lift aero figures too. Not enough front downforce ? There were so many crazy moments in that lap, another one - 3:33 front swerving a lot undil he brakes. Very light at the front ? It is scary to watch haha
     
  4. RS10

    RS10 Simracer

    Oh it's only fair to compare those cars, even if one of them is somehow road legal - both are 'extreme' versions of a Hypercar (P1 or Zonda) where the LM is an even more advanced (or 'tuned' if you want) version of the P1 GTR, Pagani however never did a laptime with the Revolución which was an improved/upgraded Zonda R.

    This is the only valid point to make where the cars differ, the P1 however still had custom (just about) 'road legal' Pirelli Trofeo tyres with a 'specific compound' (quote) so the difference probably isn't that huge.

    So it's not like apples and oranges (even though it's also fair to compare those and i don't like this idiom) ... it's apples and a bit more sticky apples ...
    [Whether this means that the Zonda R was great for it's time or that the current Hypercars are already very close to their extreme counterparts is another topic tho]

    And there can be no discussion about which one sounds better (it's not the P1)
     
  5. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    Speak for yourself.
     
  6. mantasisg 2

    mantasisg 2 Alien

    I love this post. Aris could definitely write a book on car handling some day, and it would be a best seller among books for car enthusiasts. I think a lot of things which Aris wrote there could be applied to what we see in this P1 onboard lap video.
     
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  7. ZethGAF

    ZethGAF Simracer

    Video definitely helped my in-game lap. Just looking at his gear choices - using higher gears can really help stability in certain sections. There's so much electric torque you don't need to rev it out everywhere with the shift lights constantly lit.
     
  8. RS10

    RS10 Simracer

    NA vs Turbocharged
    6L vs 3.8L
    V12 vs V8
    Loud, angry, raw and wild screams vs low, slightly raspy, a bit muted grumble

    It's like saying old F1 cars with a V10/V12 sound worse than the current ones ... lol

    I completely missed that - it only proves my point tho :)
     
  9. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    "And there can be no discussion about"

    Don't think I have to explain how wrong that is. Speak for yourself.
     
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  10. RS10

    RS10 Simracer

    It's objective truth :^)
     
  11. Blizzier

    Blizzier Racer

    You mean subjective, of course. It's like in music. I like to listen death metal growling, but sometimes I'm falling in love with subtle vocal of Sigur Rós.
     
  12. Red Or Dead

    Red Or Dead Racer

    Did the same lap with softs mgu at charging and tc factory 6.43.7
    Again with softs mgu at racing and tc off 6.39.022
    Pretty close to RL :)
     
  13. If that means ugly then I totally agree

    Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk
     
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  14. Berry

    Berry Alien

    6:25 with softs here.
     
  15. bgil66

    bgil66 Alien

    Kenny Brack met him at Nazareth in the CART days, nice guy and nice lap!!
     
  16. Berry

    Berry Alien

    At least there's no doubt now that the normal P1 would do a sub 7 minute lap on Trofeo R tyres :p.
     
  17. V8_KB

    V8_KB Alien

    At least they didn't "forget" to record the lap this time. :p
     
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