Minorating.com (drivers thread)

These "discussions" showed me again why nearly leaving the forum was right... From multiple checking each day down to one quick overview per week.

@Minolin great respect to your calmness. And great to hear your still looking for further improvments.

 

It simply is amazing that people REFUSE to see the actual point.

Q: What is the point on playing online if you're driving alone?
A: There isn't one.

I've said 15 times now that finding a server to play on was never the issue. The issue is simply that as a new player, there is only ONE server to play on that has anybody on it, and it's a cesspool of failure so bad that it's not worth bothering with.

Q: If you're going to make everybody a C rank regardless of what they do early on, which you do, what's the point in EVER having ANYBODY ranked N to begin with?
A: There isn't one.

You'd might as well just start everybody off a C to begin with and adjust the servers accordingly.

THAT is the point. It has NOTHING to do with "creating a server" or "joining a server with nobody on it". There is absolutely ZERO point in ever doing that. You can time attack alone off line with RSR, which renders online completely pointless.

To make online worth playing, it needs to be played with OTHER PEOPLE. For a NEW player, having only one cesspool to join that has anybody on it is a severe putoff to ever playing online again.

THAT is the ENTIRE POINT.

Saying, "You can just join one with nobody on it" over and over again like a broken record does NOTHING to solve the actual problem for new players. It's simply a failed system that has absolutely NO POINT in existing with regard to the entire N rating and the restrictions thereof.

Everybody read that about 10 times and see if it sinks in.

 

All servers are empty, until someone joins....

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No, they are not. I can join multiple servers now with people on them at will. Only the N restriction prevents you from doing that and limits you to only one. (16 times now I've explained that.)

 

You could join ALL non MR servers.
If you had all content, you would had more choices. It's a known design choice for this game.
You could join every empty server and someone would join, attracting more people.

In the end, I am sorry but I can't understand all the fuss.

So it's not for ALL new players.
It's for people, that don't have all content , that want to enter mr server and don't want to enter empty servers.

Well i see no problem here.

Let's let @Minolin who made the system, investigates if changes are needed.

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Again, what would be the point? Eventually you're going to have to race the MR servers because pretty much every league utilizes it now.

Again, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL CONTENT. That is NOT REQUIRED AND NEVER WAS.

This ONLY has to do with new players and the failed N system that is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Merciful God why do you people keep making excuses for an obviously flawed system that has no purpose at all and shouldn't even exist?

If you started people off at C, which YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THEM REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO ANYWAY, then there is no problem at all finding multiple servers with multiple people on them.

It is ONLY THE N RATING that suffers the limitation, which again is pointless since they can, quite literally, go out and wreck everybody they can possibly hit (which is all they are doing on that one server, I assure you) and they'll STILL be given a C rating anyway.

 

Not having all content it's a parameter.
How significant I don't know since I am not at home. You can search steam statistics though.
I am guessing that since DLCs are successful, most people would have them all. ( still guessing ).

So available servers have a parameter the content.
If not available, the server will not appear.

Again I repeat I have no access to steam statistics now, but it's a mathematical fact that available servers will be LESS for people that don't have all content.

How much, i really don't know.

PS Before call a system as failure, try to see the big picture. Regarding N rating, dev will have to see that.

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This is not correct.

If nobody would ever join an empty server there would be only empty servers.

If you want a populated server that allows your rank, but there are only unpopulated servers for your rank, what is the solution?

Yesterday I wanted to race against other players on the streetfight heavyweight server. Unfortunately it was empty. I joined it anyway, and by the time the first race was underway there were 5 people on it. Was there "ZERO point" in joining that server when it was empty?

 

I think the only fault is that there are (almost) no ABN servers around, but that's not a failure of the system than rather of the server hosts.

Though maybe if there were more ABN servers the N grade could be active longer with a chance to go to B directly if you deserve B grade.

 

And that is something I suggested: Making one N only server for a proper evaluation over, say, 500 km. That would put ONLY new players on that server for evaluation and would actually be worth doing.

As it is now, there's only one server with an N rating with anybody on it when I play, and it's an ABCN server, so all the knuckleheads that really should have a D rating at least are STILL racing on it.

That's my point: The entire N rating is completely and totally useless because there is NO evaluation done in that time amongst new people. All it effectively does is limit my options to one server only filled with a great many people who, as I've said over a dozen times before, are all AUTOMATICALLY made a C rating NO MATTER WHAT THEY DID AT N RATING.

For people to constantly make excuses for and blindly defend a completely useless element to a system is, at best, laughable. I don't care who made it, the way I've explained it SHOULD make you think, "Well, maybe he has a point and we should take a look at that."

Instead, all I'm getting are, "Well he did this system all by himself and you didn't so blah, blah, blah" and "you can play on a server alone".

What's the point of either?

There isn't one.

 

Actually you often can't because other people will join you and then you won't be alone anymore

 

I actually did that once thinking maybe I'd get a pick-up racer.

Was there for just over an hour and was still all by my onesies.

Again, it's only for N rating that that happens...which of course makes it rather pointless, doesn't it?

 

Thanks for trying, it's the only way to get quality servers populated. If only everybody would do that...

It happened on the AB server I tried yesterday too. Got it up to 5 players but everybody left after the first race

 

Really depends on where u live @Parminio, here in Australia we don't have the numbers so after 9pm it's very quiet if not dead weeknights... weekends not much better.
I look at Euro servers longingly, they are always busy with high pings so it's tough to join as I don't want to ruin others fun by possibly warping.

Suggest you look for leagues... lots about and usually the few nights before a race the servers get busy with people practicing... this usually draws in more ppl and next thing you know u have 20ppl on the tack.

Suggest you take ppls offers up to do some close racing to improve ur grade... I've helped out a few people over this way and would extend the courtesy to you if around on my server with a reasonable ping

 

I think it's seventeen times now....

 

I had to read that about 3 times, but sadly it's still beyond me
Appreciate the effort you are putting into it Minolin!

 

If the system would be changed to: You have to do 500km in an N only server.
That server might get populated, or not.
You could be around good drivers, or bad ones. Or none. (Get AB-grade or D-grade or a grade driving on your own.)
That approach also doesn't seem fair to me.

There used to be populated servers allowing for N grade, when MR launched, so the system worked ok back then.
Now there seem to be only few new players and the sytem doesnt work that good any more.
Driving 40km alone and be granted C doesnt sound good, but you get D rated quickly if you crash alot in abc servers, as you have little mileage.
(Collisions per km)

ABN servers might work, but then you have to rely on good drivers/hosts to let unrated drivers in.
Those unrated ones could be interested in an AB grade or be rookies (C), D or W.
That also doesn't sound fair to me.

As it is now you got your c rating rather quick and have the possibility to rank up or down.
That is not a nice way to get in touch with MR, i can feel with you there, but i can't come up with a better solution, maybe Mino has a bright moment in the future. I am sure he is already thinking about a solution.

 

Is it possible to add something to MR that a huge window comes up that you need to [x] for it to disappear where it explains what minorating is and which class people currently are?