Progressive system penalty

I was given no less than THREE of those 5 second penalties over the first two laps of an online race @ Nurburgring GP this afternoon, and all of them were because I had to swerve to avoid crashed and/or spun cars. I rest my case

 

why can't you devs just add a few speed bumps in monza t1 besides the collidable objects, like you did in vallelunga?

 

Because it's a valid runoff area. And as someone who never cuts on purpose, but does run off sometimes, I'd be really pissed if they did that. It's not a solution to the greater issue.

 

yeah, but they could be arranged alternated, so you have to do it in slalom/zig zag

 

Thats why I keep those penalties off on my servers and we dont use them in league races. Using Wally's PLP app still seems the best solution for normal drivers. For the big cheaty cuts is the only place that needs an instant penalty.

If running PLP and you run wide but back off a little so you dont gain time in most cases it wont register as a cut. Go too wide on an exit and keep it floored not getting any penalty from your error will register as a cut as it should.

If your running wide and coming back on track too often with no net loss you shpuld get a penalty. Thats why his system has the 3 cuts do it a couple times and the next time you will be staying on track to avoid a penalty.

If you run off track to avoid accidents you will mostly slow dowm enough to not register as a cut. People coming up with way more complicated methods may want to give plp a try first. It is way better then the default cut slowdom but is client based and drive throughs not enforced by game just app. This being coded into the game with the options it has and instant penalty for extreme cuts will be hard to improve on.

 

The danger with that is that if someone does accidentally run wide, instead of remaining in control and coming back on safely, there is a good chance either something will break (especially if we get improved damage), or it'll unsettle the car, causing it to spin back into the track and take out some innocent driver behind.

Ultimately, what you are suggesting is a plaster-fix to one corner, of one particular circuit. It wouldn't work across the board, and that's what we need. A system that fairly punishes those deliberately abuse the rules.

 

I dunno, if track cutting is the biggest issue, then why not implement something like an "invisible sand pit" where if over a certain speed, you get sand trapped and generally stuck. Under a certain speed (too slow to gain time), no invisible pit?
Just an idea. Just one more collidable object(or a few depending on the track) without the need for actually rendering it.

As far as wide turns are concerned, maybe implement the same general idea, but make everything (lets say 3.5m from the kerb or asphalt) into this "invisible sand pit". The tracks and some run off room stays drivable, but anywhere past that 3.5m away puts you in a pit. May save some people from a few crashes, but that system should cover cutting too. A custom invisible sand pit for each track, perhaps in quali and race only, doesn't sound too bad does it? Maybe on specific chicanes that 3.5m can be further reduced.

 

The same way you are detecting a cut could be used to implement a flag system with a few extra checks/algorithms.

The result of a cut is not the problem, it's the detection.

 

Seriously? Kunos has stated before that a flag system was not intended, so this thread is all about a flag system we've already been told is not coming? Please stop begging for a flag system. The game already hogs your CPU, you want it constantly making another 8 calculations per car?

Simple and sweet is the answer. My idea may not be the best, but at least I'm not asking for something we've been told is NOT coming.

 

no

 

Pick up coding and make one yourself, Python is a fairly simple scripting language.
Don't waste devs time on something they've already said is NOT coming.

 

Wich is just dumb in my opinion...
Why do the developers care about ramming people on
servers? What's the problem in finding a racing community or a league?
God damn, do they really want to concentrate on players who don't give a shi* about this game or about players who still play the game in 2-3 years?

 

Have you actually read any of this thread?
Go back a few pages and you'll see Lord Kunos has said he is working on it.
Now don't waste our time by contradicting what's already been said by the devs.

 

Actually I have, and NOWHERE does he mention a flag system. He wants to revise the PENALTY system. They are not the same thing.
What have I contradicted?

And I did some more digging thru his twitter feed

"@swing_guitars @ChokDK1 the hope is that, one day, we'll have an option for everything.. be it flags, spotters and whathaveyou."


Sounds like maybe ONE DAY he'll get to it or maybe ONE DAY a modder will do it.

 

You said they're not giving us a flag system. The contradiction is; they are. How would you suppose a penalty system would work without flags? Somewhere around page 12 or 13 he mentions yellow flags and a couple of pages before that blue flags are also mentioned. I can't be arsed trawling through the entire thread just to prove you wrong, but try singling out Lord Kunos' posts.

 

Doesn't sound like hes working on a flag system. Sounds like maybe he wants to provide the driver with on track info. Like the Spotter App does. It does not use a flag system but can still alert the driver that there is a slow car ahead.

Also we have a penalty system, albeit a simple one, with no flags. I also offered a suggestion above in addition to all the others, like the rating system. OH NO, NO FLAGS??? CAN'T BE A RACING SIM. Get over it, its a game. GT and Forza are by far the most popular racing titles out there, with no flags. Anyone a part of project cars beta? They got flags? (I honestly don't know).
EDIT: PCars does plan on flags.

 

You has modified message's order, the first is the later one writted by lord kunos, i know because he write that in response to one of my post. I, like you, had misunderstood his first message about yellow flags.

Flag are confirmed, what are not coming are the other controls, like slow down check or overtaking on yellow flag situation

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pCARS does have flags, however they aren't perfect.

An AI car goes off in the gravel and stops, so a yellow flag is displayed. A lap later a car might go off in the exact same gravel trap, but no yellow flag is displayed. Kinda odd and inconsistent at the moment.

The flags only show up on screen as a GUI element, there are no animated flags from track marshals etc.

 

I apologize for the order mixup, I simply searched and copied what I found. Still I do not believe he is confirming flags. But we shall see. Remember English is not his first language, I took this to mean he will implement something to inform the driver of a slow car, like a yellow flag does. I could be very wrong. Considering his stance on the flag system in the past, I can't see him putting that much effort into it while AI, CPU optimizations, FMOD, etc are still WIP.