rear slip feel

I've gone through Les Combes blind in the faxmachine*...
Hopped on the brakes at the end of the straight and my screen went blank, yet I still managed to navigate the first two corners partially on muscle memory and catching a slide felt in the FFB in the first right hander, and my screen came back for the second right hander.

Granted, we could debate on how much of it was actual reaction to the ffb, and how much was me using muscle memory and past experience to realize I had turned in too much and would have to catch a minor slide, even before the slide was able to be noticed through the ffb.

*MP4-12C

Reflex actions aren't subconscious thoughts. Though reflex actions aren't exactly useful in racing either. Problem is that many people (often me included) use "fast reflexes" as a synonym to "fast reactions", which are two different things.

"A reflex is made possible by neural pathways called reflex arcs which can act on an impulse before that impulse reaches the brain."

"A reflex arc is a neural pathway that controls a reflex. In vertebrates, most sensory neurons do not pass directly into the brain, but synapse in the spinal cord. This allows for faster reflex actions to occur by activating spinal motor neurons without the delay of routing signals through the brain. However, the brain will receive the sensory input while the reflex is being carried out and the analysis of the signal takes place after the reflex action."

 

Nice . Definitely having the track learned helps in this case. But still an amazing feat!
On a related note, just recently drove the 98t with proper setup and full attack mode - the car was so much on the edge that FFB was better (faster) at conveying that oversteer is coming than visual cues. It was too slow still, but interestingly enough it was the FFB that taught the muscle memory where to prepare for small countersteer and after ~10-20 laps I stopped relying on it. If i would not think about it while practicing, i may have said that ffb doesn't matter much in this case either, but looking back now it's obvious that it was important.

I guess that what we can take from both examples would be that the trickier / on edge the car is the more important ffb becomes. Quite interesting.

Also agree on the reflex vs reactions part, tangled the two a bit there. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

Indeed massively depends on particular car, perhaps on track conditions and setup too ?

I really love how 98T is simulated, one of the best AC cars IMO, and of course many of best cars in AC as a rule are less popular. One interesting thing about 98T, once I have participated in Imola online race, qualification was quite long, I have managed to get somewhare in the top with good laptime. Then when race started in first lap some big noise in my house caused me to not be able to hear 98T sound, and I pretty much immediately spun. I think hearing an engine in 98T could be most importantly, with 98T it is often enough just to slightly lift off throttle and rear end shakes itself out, very awesome car to go for the limit in AC, it almost feels limitless sometimes

They didn't make such cars later.

 

Thanks for the input aardvark.

Yep, looks like my usage of the term, "reflex action" was incorrect.

But what I was trying to convey was, as Phycology Today states,..."The unconscious is where most of the work of the mind gets done; it's the repository of automatic skills".

We learn a skill , catching snap oversteer, and it becomes something we react to automatically, to input supplied by physical cues, such as feedback from a steering wheel.
As I understand, what some people call "mussel memory", which is a misnomer, is really just another way to describe a skill that must be learned to be able to automatically react to.

Well at least a skill to react fast enough to stay off of a guard rail.

 

Check this out...
https://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/i...tmaster-ts-pc-ts-xw-suggested-settings.48834/

 

Had no issues in AC ever with reacting to the FFB on either G25, T500, CSW v1 and v2. The physics and the FFB out of the box is the #1 reason I and many got into AC in the first place.
True, it's becomes easier the better the wheel, with more selfaligning torque and faster speed in change of direction. Get the settings down from some that has the T300, then practice.

 

My FFB settings are LOW, so I don't get a huge amount of feedback from the wheel. I prefer to make sure that my G27 stays connected to the desk!

 

VR helps quite a lot. You feel more connected to the car even though the FFB through the wheel is unchanged. Something about the immersion just allows you to have a better feel and better reactions for loss of grip.

I've found since switching to VR that I'm now able to drive harder and push through slips that would have otherwise scared me and gotten me to let up too much because I didn't have a good sense of where the limits were. Equally, I can save bigger slips a lot easier.

 

I'm a bit late to the party, but I have no idea what some users are going on about here. I have a T300, and for anybody that has a FFB wheel - The wheel constantly gives feedback on oversteer.

The front tyres on a car always wish to point forwards. So when the back steps out, the front tyres don't care, they keep going forwards. Because of this, as soon as the back steps out, you can let go of your wheel and you will notice it spins itself, keeping the front wheels pointing forwards regardless of where the back of the car goes. (Note - The wheel spinning isn't keeping the tyres pointing forwards, quite the opposite. The tyres continuing forwards forces the wheel to spin as the rear of the car rotates around the front)

The skill in this is knowing when to grab the wheel to control the slide, and how much throttle to apply to ease the back of the car back into a straight line whilst avoiding a tank slapper.

The only possible way you can not feel oversteer is if your FFB is configured to stay centred, or turned off. In this case, the wheel may not rotate in your hands.

TL: DR - The very action of having a FFB wheel means you will always feel oversteer. Between the FFB, visual cues and good throttle control and timing, you will be able to control oversteer.

 

In general, I think AC-FFB is very good at providing excellent over-steer indicators. I find that AMS tends to have somewhat more effective tire noise cues in some cars but, the FFB in AC does the job very well.