The steering, grip front tires, terible?

Something I observed on any game forum I checked over the years is that: There are tons and tons of negative, know-it-all and offensive community "opinions" being posted every day on every game forum. The more the dev is willing to share insights, the more the dev communicates, the more of the game is accessable to modders, the more smart *** comments you will get.

You allow people to mod the sounds? Be prepared for wannabe sound engineers to brag about how great they are and how lackluster the dev is.
You allow people to mod the post processing effects? Be prepared for community graphics experts telling you how to do it right.
You allow the community to look into your tyre files? Be prepared for all kinds of awesome opinions on that one too.

Especially on the physics front we had some really unbearable people playing the smart guys here, in a manner that would get them punched in the real world.
Yet everybody is completely shocked when a dev looses his temper. They will share on facebook or twitter (or whatever you internet nerds live your lives on) whining how badly they got treated for only saying their opinion ... bla bla freedom of speech bla bla ...
With all that **** you have to wade through as a game/video/music/whatever-creator on the internet its just natural that you might explode on someone saying that your values you wrote into YOUR tyre model ini should be discarded - because lets not forget that this was what triggered this situation.

The internet and that disgusting mentality that comes with it just sucks.

 

Don't forget that Kunos also benefits from the community and their feedback. Imo that's one of the reasons why Assetto is that brilliant now. Afaik Kunos sometimes even takes mod-content for the game (Miura, Cobra, Zandvoort, etc.)

 

Sorry thats ridicules. Some finds from community members sure helped, the vast majority is all Kunos and their testers. Modding content going official is just the 3d art, which others could do as well.
Thats a thing with moddable games - the modders tend to become overly self confident pricks and the community buys it.

 

What about all the bugs which are reported here (and often get fixed almost instantly with the next update)?

 

Did you get out of the wrong side of bed?
I downloaded and tested lemax's beautiful Miseluk track the other day and I don't think that he is an overly self-confident prick - quite the opposite. There are many more examples.
All the tracks, cars, apps that have been made by "ordinary" people in their free time and you colour everyone with the same brush.
I partly agree with your "you allow people" post but you should not come here to discredit modder's work or the contribution of this community. There are lots of people here who made thoughtful suggestions which have led to improvements in the game.

 

I think, you get the important part of Horst1s post wrong.

 

Does this thread still have any meaning? Should it not be better of closed? Many people, many opinions. But for sure we won't agree on everything.. no matter how hard some try. Would be a shame if another argument arises here. Lets just leave the topic where it is and go on with enjoying the sim.

 

I'm quite good at that. ;-)
No, for real - what did I get wrong? (Honest question - no irony)

Does he mean in the first part of his post that (edit) some people of the community are helpful? (Edit: And the rest is done by Kunos and their testers alone?) Do you mean that one? (I understand that part of his post, now.)
Still, he said that modders tend to become ... (not specific individuals but every modder - that is what vexes me).

Maybe I should do what I had done the past two years before starting to post on this forum: Shut up and become a silent observer again.

 

Yeah, you got it, Kunos does the framework, and adr2 and the likes, profit from it...
Not saying, those individuals don't do great mods. They are just contributing to the platform. No more no less.
And no, you shouldn't be just passiv. Involve yourself, and help the community.

 

Ah, alright. Now I've got it. So horst1's post means that modders are only playing a small role but some of them feel like they are the developers?
Thank you for explaining it to me without using joking remarks and/or irony.
Sometimes I think it would be better to be passive - as you put it - because negotiation of meaning is not always easy via text messages.

 

This is my first thread I was able to read and I must say I am shocked of how childish this developer behaved towards all your comments. He cherry picked unrelevant stuff to justify ad personam insults, dismissed all explanations and apologies and escalated the discussion. This is Ian Bell stuff right there. That´s how SMS created their own echoe chamber. I feel really bad reading this after supporting this sim all the years. Thank you Senior Casillo for this self revelation, I hope your mother doesn´t know how you behave. She wouldn´t be proud. I thought of consulting this forum in case of any questions but now I know that deviating opinions will be used as an excuse to derail discussions. Just like it happened with Project Cars. Sad.

 

Or, you know, one could just not start with trash talking the simulation and work of the developers in the first place. But that's too hard apparently.

 

Gosh guys, this thread was dead for nearly a year, and rightfully so.