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What steering wheel do you suggest for drifting?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat Room' started by Sgt.Kanyo, Apr 10, 2017.

  1. Sgt.Kanyo

    Sgt.Kanyo Gamer

    Alright guys, so I have a Logitech G27 with the H shifter and it was alright, however it has a major design flaw. The calibration module on these things **** up after time. You can find tons calibration related problems on the internet.
    Basically there's a small (obviously) plastic gear on a metal rod and in time, this little plastic gear breaks messing up your calibration making you have to buy a whole new wheel. Now I did take the wheel apart, and I once glued the little gear back together, but guess what, after a few months it cracked again, and now it's so bad, it just cannot be fixed.

    So my question is, what steering wheels do you guys suggest for heavy, throwing around action? I drift a lot, so it needs to be durable. Also as a **** you to Logitech, I'd prefer if it wasn't Logitech, but I'm not strictly excluding their products.
    I'm looking in the same price range, definitely not more. Also please write a reason why you'd want to suggest it.

    Thanks
     
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  3. Berniyh

    Berniyh Alien

    In principle I'd suggest a direct drive wheel for that, because that's when drifting becomes really interesting.
    Can't drift more naturally than with DD because the fidelity allows for the steering wheel to be positioned exactly where it would be in the real car (self-aligning torque etc.).
    It took me maybe a week to learn how to drift with reduced lock-to-lock in my old Fanatec wheel, it took me about 15-30min to work it out on the DD system.

    Having said that – and I admit it might not have been the most useful paragraph – it will likely be out of your price range, even if you only consider a wheel for drifting (thus no buttons on the steering wheel etc.).
    But the basic message is: look for turning speed. Anything that can turn fast should be a good bet.
    From what I've heard the Thrustmasters are quite capable and there are some within the range of the Logitech G-series. I'm not sure if there are differences in FFB and speed between the respective variants, but I guess others can jump in on that.
    The Fanatec CSL and CSW are quite fast as well, but it might be that they are out of your budget as well.
    If you can afford the CSW v2.5, I guess it would be the best choice for you and with a simple wheel rim like the P1 it isn't that expensive.
    Unfortunately, if you go beyond that, even with a simple drift wheel it would be quite expensive since you can't just purchase a quick release, instead you have to purchase the universal hub as well (which is expensive).
    e.g. their drift wheel costs 479€, which is huuuuuuuuugely overpriced, but it's almost exclusively down to the universal hub.
    Might be that there are 3rd party quick release adapters available, didn't check.
     
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  4. baboon

    baboon Alien

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  5. Dean Ogurek

    Dean Ogurek Alien

    There is a low-cost Direct-drive DIY system using a stepper motor that should provide quick response but, I don't have details. The cost figures hinted at being in the TM wheel range depending on wheel / controls / QR, etc. Stepper-motors aren't as powerful or precise as higher quality servo-motors but, they are much less costly and as the AccuForce demonstrates, it's not that far from the low-end servo units either although, the AF uses a custom-spec stepper.

    Link
     
  6. Sgt.Kanyo

    Sgt.Kanyo Gamer

    I'm no pro-drifter, so I'm not that hyped to get a DD wheel (honestly this is the first time I'm hearing about it), I just need a wheel that won't break. Also thanks for the suggestion, but I don't want no DIY wheel. I just want an already assembled one, that you can buy in a shop, but I appreciate the effort.

    @baboon
    I did try taking it apart 2 times, but I'm not sure if I could replace the encoder, since it's on a rod and I have absolutely no idea how to take that apart. I only know how to have access to the side of the optical encoder. Also shouldn't that little thing have a hole in it where the rod goes through?
     
  7. Berniyh

    Berniyh Alien

    Didn't want to suggest that you buy a DD wheel. As I said it's likely out of your budget. What I just wanted to say is that DD showed me that speed really matters in this case.
    So speed is what you want to watch out for. ;)
     
  8. baboon

    baboon Alien

    Sorry I can't help you there. I also tried to glue the one from my G25 but it did broke again like yours. Because my G25 was so old (over 5 years) and also had shifter problems I decided against getting ordering the replacement encoder and got me a new G27. I don't drift that much so I hope it will reach 5 years too before it breaks :)
     
  9. chksix

    chksix Hardcore Simmer

    Is the failing encoder wheel an issue with G29 too?
     
  10. Ace Pumpkin

    Ace Pumpkin Alien

    Rest assure of that, because your wheel, the G29 is almost only a repackaging of a G27.
    So good look with it.
     
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  11. Yohnny240

    Yohnny240 Hardcore Simmer

    It is tight (and it needs to be) but can be pulled with fingers and maybe flat screwdriver as leverage after small circuit board around it has been removed.

    The brass one @baboon linked is perfect but if the old one isn't completely broken it could be held together with washer. In the picture it's placed badly and one hole is double sized but it somehow still worked. :D I still switched to the replacement part as I had already ordered it but properly done this fix should be very durable and lot cheaper.

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Sgt.Kanyo

    Sgt.Kanyo Gamer

    Well tbh I'd rather buy a new wheel. As I've said preferrably from a different maker. It looks like as others said the G29 ain't no good either.
    And my H shifter is messing up as well. 1st is sometimes 1st, but sometimes 3rd, 2nd is sometimes 2nd, but sometimes 4th. And when you're doing a timed lap on the nordschleife and the H shifters ****s up for the 4th time... well let me tell you, you won't feel relaxed, but at least you'll be pissed off.
    Any thoughts on the Thrustmasters?
     
  13. Matty28

    Matty28 Simracer

    My Thrustmaster TX has been great for drifting. I used to have a Fanatec CSR and I remember having to drag the wheel around myself because the FFB wasn't strong/fast enough which I don't have to do anymore with the TX. The difference between it and a G27 should be even greater since the G27 is imprecise and slower than the CSR was. Not too much money either now. T300RS is the same thing if you want PS4 compatibility.
     
  14. ZethGAF

    ZethGAF Simracer

    Thrustmaster TX, T300, TS-PC. Fanatecs too, but more pricey probably. These are all belt-driven wheels that are a bit faster and more powerful than the Logitechs.
     
  15. chksix

    chksix Hardcore Simmer

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  16. Sgt.Kanyo

    Sgt.Kanyo Gamer

    The thrustmaster tx does sound nice, especially with the 458 wheel, but they don't have an H shifter. Do they have any common issues?
     
  17. Berniyh

    Berniyh Alien

    The H shifter is an addon (Thrustmaster TH8A), but it's the shifter with the best value for money around.
    Using mine (TH8RS, but it's the same thing, just without console compatibility) for a 3-4 years now and it works very well. Not perfect, but good.

    The Logitech H-shifters just suck. The Fanatec CSS does seem to work very well at the beginning, but I've heard of a lot of them breaking down.

    So IMO, the 125€ there are a good investment, even if you end up with a wheel from a different manufacturer.
     
  18. moz9rt

    moz9rt Rookie

    g27 is good, if you have the dough, go higher and buy a ehandbrake made by fanatec, or if you know how to build, youtube has tuts to make own.
    the fanatecc sell for $100
     
  19. demetri

    demetri Hardcore Simmer

    G27 is too slow for drifting. At least when you use full 900 degrees rotation.
     
  20. moz9rt

    moz9rt Rookie

    really? im good i never felt it was slow, i can spin it back 360 in like 1 sec and maintain drifts.

    maybe its true. but i never use other wheel. its easy to compensate when the car is going fast during counter-steer,
    but if thats true, then other users need less brake to control counter-steer.
    i always brake a little, especially during 3rd gear when the counter-steer starts to shift on me.
     
  21. demetri

    demetri Hardcore Simmer

    It is indeed slow by itself due to a weak motor and also has a lot of mechanical damping which affects how fast you can rotate it by hands.
    Watch any real car drift video and see how fast the wheel turns by itself. This is just the first video I googled and I've seen it spinning even faster:

    So, yes, you can drift with G-27, but it will be very unnatural due to the wheel's inherent shortcomings
     
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