BOP Discussion

Nice data, it would be awesome if Kunos could tweak AI difficulty based on those times, that way the AI would be balanced based on what human player can achieve.

 

Especially that when the AI drives the NSX EVO it is so painfully slow, it feels like those cars in a different league.

 

The issue with posts like this, is that every car is hyper close right now (cept my boat :'( pls fix kunos) so it really comes down to what the driver can extract from the car, while this shows what the cars can do, its just showing the best what that driver can do.

During Mrgits Spa race last night A BMW did a 2:16:XXX around spa, so take this with a grain of salt, Nether the less this is a good post to show how close the cars can be nicely done.

 

Yep, yesterday I saw XKR, which was very fast. I don't remember the time, but I was very surprised by the pace on Monza.

 

The car was driven by Mr Nobel a well known alien...

 

Yes, It was mike, But my point still stands, He may be an alien, Heck the guys that set these lap times we see here are "alien" to mine.

i mean a 1:53 around Nurbs, im doing 56's 57's, end of the day these lap times arent to be taken seriously via 1 driver, if they did this with 10 drivers each car, for each track and then got a mean laptime for each car across each skill level, that would be perfect, BUT thats a silly silly amount of work.

 

Your point is valid.
But remenber that if i'm right, the IRL BOP are made with only 2 drivers, so not so far than what OP made.
Obviously if they coule have made experiment with a lot more drivers, it would have been better.

 

Slower driver here... using default safe setup no change at all , 1 to 1.5 sec slower than OPs detailed times, so far on a few tracks I am seeing a similar trend, Lexus, Porsche, Ferrari are my fastest, although I am also getting very good results from the NSX and Bentley... I’m guessing maybe the later two suit me better at default setup... when I get the chance I will test with same method as OP.
Having said that, the Porsche,Lexus, Bentley,and Ferrari were also my best in the 2018 season. Once again possibly suited to my style at default and I’m just not getting the best out of the other cars

 

McLaren seems really faster than the others, absolutely.

There are some cars easy to drive and fast, like Audi, Lexus, Aston and Ferrari. Porsche is insite this group but is more difficult to drive.

Other line of cars is Bentley, BMW and Nissan. A little worse than the second group. Lambo is insite this group but is more difficult to drive.


Finally, there are 2 cars really bad, imposible to go faster... AMG and Honda. For example, AMG have excesive oversteer and the shif 1 to shif 2 have a delay and is too much inestable if you are turning.

My conclusion, I think that mcLaren is too OP and has to be fixed and AMG and Honda have to be improved.

 

Unexpectedly.

 

I've seen the AMG setting 1.46s at Monza and 2.16s at Spa.

 

The Honda is a bit off but the AMG once you have it figured out is probably the fastest across all tracks car in the game. I suggest you spend some more time with the Merc because once you get it figured out (both setup and driving are important for it) it's capable of winning at all tracks. 2:15.7 is my PB at Spa with it so it ain't no slouch It's interesting that you've mentioned oversteer as a problem, out of the box the Merc understeers like crazy. First time I've heard someone complaining that the Merc oversteers

 

Its nice to get some data but its far from definitive, it does show though overall the bop is pretty close now and you cna be pretty competitive in many cars at most tracks.

Theres always those people that claim one car is clearly faster and you see the popular car of the week. Its always quite fun picking any other car and beating the supposed best car most are using.

 

The question is how much effort it takes to be better than car X. They can be with the same potential, but in fact it's easier to drive a 720 than a Nissan. So we see a grid of 911 and 720.

 

BoP is very good indeed, OBVIOUSLY you cannot expect to some cars to have top pace on all tracks, but these cars can get you back at long races or stability etc.

At the end of the day it really does comes down to your driving style and setup you use.
Believe it or not with very little tweaks to setup the car can actually be faster and can be more suited to your driving style.
For me i generally always go with low drag setup AS LONG AS i can brake late, braking distance is similar.
Maybe honda NSX does not have pace of lamborghini or ferrari but with good driving skills and setup you can get within 1 seconds of those cars top pace.

 

I disagree, it might be true for you but not for everyone.Someone with good throttle control can drive it car quite easily infact i never found that car hard at all.

 

If you want a more diverse grid pick one of the other cars , the cool thing with ACC is you can run any car in any server. The general population like to be sheep and tend to think its the car others are driving that must be the quicker one. Im not sure what they think when they pick the car and magically its still not as fast as some one else in it or someone joins in a different car and gets to the top of the timing.

There are plenty with potential and in a weaker level server it can be more fun to pick a slightly underperforming car for more challenge to try and get more out of it. Over a full fuel stint the pecking order can change too, after all its an endurance racing series not a time attack.

Looking at the data in the 1st post there is rarely 1 second between the fastest and slowest cars at all tracks.

 

well the experiment was conducted by finite drivers so results are not universally true.
I have posted better lap times than OP on porsche, so according to OP porsche is behind but according to my laps it is faster than what OP has stated.

 

That would be why I say its nice data but far from definitive the post before.

I have gone faster then them in a few cars but they are decent times there and IM sure people can do better in most cars. Still the main reason I hoped for a special event at all tracks open to all cars where we could see data in a larger user base and be a good way to test cars out against eachother while seeing where we sit amongst all others.