Discussing MP Mixed-Class Racing - GT3/GT4

i think the answer is simple, they have to develop the IA in the GT3 To pass the slower gt4 and the gt4 to "let" pass the GT3 .
for myself never use bots, join a league if you want to drive with others.

 

Ah thanks, so the British GT won't be the whole series like the Blancpain in the main game? I didn't realise that, I thought they would have the cars and tracks to do a whole season. Thanks for clarifying.

 

There isn't really any sim on the market now that really does the multiclass AI correctly. They all either crash into each other, or unrealistically jump out of each other's way on the first blue flag making it super easy when you're the slower class.

 

Raceroom does multiclass ai ok from what i remember

 

Is there any way to differentiate the class standings during a race? For example in the MFD, we have an Overall standings, relative, and maybe a new page could be created called class standings? Otherwise you don't know if you are leading the GT4 class race as you'll show as 15th or something lol

 

I think if they can optimize AI then they will surely implement multiclass in SP. I hope they do it as soon as possible.

 

the word "Nordschleife" should have an hard-coded insta block on that forum, like an automatic ban for whoever write that.

 

Although that is a great suggestion, which I encourage myself, that is Not a solution to the problem.
We also have to consider those lacking the time (or the skills) to join a league, I personally would love multi-class in single player.
I hope they consider putting the time and effort to implement this in the near future.

 

The devs have been quite clear in their statements in the forum or in the various streams, for now there are two obstacles to the implementation of multiclass races in single player mode: AI was not thought from the beginning with this possibility in mind so it is not obvious that they can do this and also they are related to SRO and none of the series that, at the moment, are simulated in the game featured multiclass races.
As a result, there won't be that chance until at least the british GT pack Will be released, but according to devs it will only be a track pack.

 

A man can dream though, a man can dream

 

If I am not wrong, 24h of Spa is multiclass. At least last year there was few cars from different class. But I know- this is only one event.

 

"AI was not thought from the beginning with this possibility in mind",... this is pretty obvious on how poorly AI handles much slower cars/traffic, although, I'm surprised this could not be refined, but what do I know, haven't a clue how that code functions in the first place.
Maybe they lost the programmer who created AI code, that would be a big problem.

 

These are more like guest starters. 2018 was one Cup Porsche and one Super Trofeo, 2019 this promo cup porsche who did not drive all the time. I wouldn't call this multiclass.

 

surely the AI should be programmed already well enough to overtake a slower car? gt4 should just ve treated as slow gt3 cars to the AI, surely the AI isn't too dumb to overtake a slow car?

blue flags are largely ignored alot in sro races anyway irl lol

 

Yeah, you’re absolutely right, I’ve forgot that and now I can remember.

Now I would not call it multiclass either.

 

Bathurst 19 had a few GT4's participate..

Maybe they will have a crack at it next year once the dust settles on all this new content.. Then again maybe not. Going off the change logs over the last couple of builds Ai is clearly not a priority at the moment.. It's at a good level now so maybe they are happy enough with where it's at and don't or can't invest in more time into further development..

 

I think there are two things that could greatly improve multiclass racing in multiplayer races:

- To have somewhere in the MFD a ranking of your own category: it's nice to know your place in the general classification, but it's more important to know if you're 3rd or 9th in your category than to know if you're 12th or 17th in the general classification...
- Getting the GT3s (also Cup and ST) to start ahead of the GT4s, even if they didn't set a time during qualifying : I did a multi-class race yesterday in Bathurst, 4 GT3s started behind the GT4s, well it's these GT3s that created the huge crash because of their impatience ...

 

I'm sure most of those things will come in due time.

 

Never use "just" in software development, especially when you don't know the code.
The concept of the software is often so complex, that adding something at one point can cause massive problems on others.

You don't really think, Kunos didn't even consider or test multiclass with AI, do you?
Theres probably more to it than just overtaking.

 

You might get this idea from watching a GT World Challenge race. But in contrary to say F1, getting a blue flag doesn't mean the driver has to get out of the way as soon as possible. In GT World Challenge races, it only means a driver may not defend his position when an attempt to overtake is made.