Really bored of people ruining online racing

......that are never in use whenever I check them out.

 

Maybe you should swop your Forum activity to actual Racing activity

 

We had a GT3 (Spa ) server running for a couple of weeks but it was rarely populated and never full.
I've been on the servers you refer to and have also been annoyed that the Mercedes isn't up-to-date server-side therefore can't be selected. It would probably be more popular than the GT2 server if it was.
I won't copy other people's server combos so hopefully they'll update it soon.

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It's rather strange that those servers haven't been updated since the version 1.03 release. I get the feeling that they have been abandoned, and that they will disappear when the payments run dry. Why else would they have not been updated?

 

I usually only see one ALOOG server at a time.
Never seen 5 servers at the same time from ALOOG.

 

You have quoted a comment of mine regarding servers that have not been updated, but then mention the ALOOG servers. These are NOT the ones that I was criticising. The ALOOG servers will have been updated immediately. I was referring specifically to the TeamWasted servers (there are 3 or 4 of them), and (as far as I am aware) all of these have not been updated.

 

There are usually 5 or 6 public ALOOG servers and 1 or 2 password servers running, depending on events/community wishes.

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Another puzzling development is that the El Bandito servers are now just "track day" servers. I remember when the El Bandito GT3 server was quite popular, although unfortunately so was T1 wrecking

 

Just a thought re: kicking wreckers (and others). Perhaps, rather than initiating a kick vote and hoping enough people press 'Y' to make it happen, it would be better if each player's desire to kick someone was "sticky." Here's what I'm thinking...

Joe Wrecker is waiting at the start/finish line to crash people. You go to the chat app and toggle the kick icon next to his name from off to on (like initiating a kick vote but it works differently). A message appears on everyone's screen "Flash Bazbo voted to kick Joe Wrecker." You only have to do that once and it remains in effect until you leave the server or explicitly turn it off again. If enough people toggle the kick icon next to Joe Wrecker's name then he gets kicked. If enough of the people that toggled the kick icon next to Joe Wrecker's name remain on the server then he can't get back on again, not until enough of the people that don't want him there have left the server (i.e. gets kicked and can't return as long as the quorum remains). As a side benefit, it gives the person being voted out an opportunity to plead their case and maybe convince people who were accidentally wronged to reverse their vote. More importantly, it effectively allows kick votes to occur over multiple practice/qualify/race sessions. People get to realize over time that someone is a wrecker rather than just blindly pressing 'Y' or 'N' or abstaining when a kick vote is initiated.

That's my idea anyhow. Maybe it could even be extended to include a sticky ban icon so that you don't have to keep toggling the kick icon every time you join a server and find that pesky "Joe Wrecker" is already on it.

 

That's what I meant by toggling the kick icon. You could toggle it from off to on and then back to off again. Like you said, there's no harm in changing your mind if someone is sorry... or you realize it was a one-of mistake on their part.

 

Interesting idea but the main issue is that you really shouldnt vote to kick someone unless you saw them do something worth kicking over. Unless someone is a complete fool and wrecking everyone then they may only effect a few people and the rest would have no idea if the vote is justified or not. The amount of times I have seen people press the kick button when trying to spectate not knowing what that button is, is suprisingly fairly common.

 

That's actually the issue I was trying to address. I often don't vote because I haven't personally witnessed bad behaviour. If not enough people are affected by someone, then they won't get kicked with my solution or with the one we already have. Maybe they shouldn't in that case. Over time, a persistent, deliberate wrecker will be noticed by everyone on the server. At some point, enough people will have toggled the kick icon to make him/her go away and stay away. As for not knowing what the button is, a confirmation message box would solve that. Kunos UI design seems to favour form over function though so I doubt a traditional solution like that is in the cards.

 

The one thing I disagree with in this hypothetical voting system is, showing who initiated the vote or even who voted yes or no.
From experience with R07 the person being voted out will retaliate against those who voted to remove him, causing more carnage than otherwise.
As much as there seems to be a disgruntled majority against the current voting system, (with the exception of separating kick v session) realistically it's about as good as we can hope for.
Without going down the route of iRacing, experienced server admin is all that differentiates between good and bad public servers.
I don't want to sound negative but I won't be holding my breath for a miracle 'cure' for wreckers....unless @Minolin can come up with something special

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I could live with things being anonymous, however, as far as retaliation is concerned, unless the wrecker has a bunch of friends on the server then he/she can only retaliate once against each of the people who want him/her gone. So the wrecker has a bunch of votes against him/her and a bunch of people have a single vote against them. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

I'm just proposing a system that's less of an instantaneous vote and more of a longer term collective opinion. I'm especially liking that I get to keep my eyes on the road and my hands on the wheel, where they belong when I'm racing, and I can take care of the house-keeping when I'm not racing. I don't have 'Y' and 'N' mapped so when a vote is initiated today I usually wreck or lose pace while I take one hand off the wheel and search for the 'Y' key if I really think someone should be kicked, or I just don't bother voting at all. I think a lot of votes fail because of that even though the collective opinion might be that someone needs to be gone.

Now back to the anonymous thing... is anonymity really such a good thing? Anonymity seems to be the thing that leads to escalating conflicts. The internet is living proof of that. If you have to have your name shown when you vote to kick someone then just maybe that'll make people think twice about whether or not they really think someone should be kicked in the first place. I think open and honest is a good thing in this case. That's just an opinion though.

 

You may have misunderstood my definition of retaliation.
If Mr wrecker sees you've initiated a vote against him or even voted to kick him, 9 times out of 10 he's going to wreck you if he comes near you on track.
There are progs out there that allow you to map keyboard strokes to your wheel.

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I think Some Guy is on the right track here so to speak.

the anonymity is really the only question. I see a lot of kick votes initiated because of unintentional contact. if the vote initiator knows his name will be shown to the kick'ee', there may be more incentive for him to enquire if is was accidental.

however there are still those that are overcome by the 'red mist' and will fill the chat with cursing and belligerence. Those with bad attitudes and anger issues will always have them no matter what.