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2019 Cars and Tracks BOP Discussion

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by redlinemotorsport.co.uk, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. Dobermann92

    Dobermann92 Rookie

    Maybe it is down to tyre life or fuel efficiency? Because on shorter races (up to an hour, featuring 2 or 3 stops) the AMG and the Audi are still dominating when it comes to any track. Sometimes the Lambo or the AMR wins (although for some reason I rarely get the #563 Lamborghini to run as an AI). The NSX EVO is always last though, no matter of the track as it seems, I sense that it is because of the turbo lag which the AI cannot deal with properly.
     
  2. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    Does the final weight include the BoP ballast? I presume not.
     
  3. keith dixon

    keith dixon Racer

    Yes it does, min weight plus ballast = final weight, minus driver
     
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  4. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    hmmm... Thank you for the info. I wonder why the Audi Evo is reporting 1420 kg at Monza? It's predecessor is reporting 1360 kg and I believe because of this I am not able to match my PB's on any circuit.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2019
  5. Borbor

    Borbor Racer

    The min rh bop pts is measured, via laser, off four designated points on the chassis. There are holes cut out in the floor for this purpose.

    The rh you see in acc shouldn't be off those.



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  6. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    Where did you find this data ?
    I would love to have this for all cars in game.
     
  7. Maybe so, I used Nissan in the 2018 season, but I tried again very disappointed.

    That's right, but I noticed that people are back at Audi and Mercedes. Apparently, interest to new cars passed - even 720s became less. AMR V8 is already 1-2 cars in a grid.

    I use 650s and I am very satisfied. ;)
     
  8. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    Motec.

    Because of the tedious nature to get this data as it requires logging for for each car & track combo I will not do all of 2018, although I have provided a comparison for Zolder. Lucky for me ACC loads tracks pretty quick.. From what I can see anyone that can switch on the Porsche gets a nice advantage and as suspected the Audi got hit the hardest with an increase between 40-70 kg.

    ACC_Motec_BOP_Weight.jpg
     
  9. Serge M

    Serge M Alien

    It’s prety cool to see that my feeling of the Evo Lambo being heavier at Zolder makes sense, even though it’s 35KG which doesn’t seem like much but right from the start I thought the Evo at Zolder felt heavy and sluggish
     
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  10. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    Nice data but what the hell that weight is extremely high for a race car.
    I always thought that MAX bop weight will be under 1300 kg (which is already ALOT) wow 1400+ KG !!! thats a boat.
    Anyways thanks for data.

    Edit: sorry for rant, it is just i prefer my race car light so after seeing such gigantic numbers i got little bit mad.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2019
  11. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    I feel ya Serge as it is the same for me. Zolder is not my strongest track and the 45 kg increase for the Audi has made me go from a 28.6 to low 29's.. On most tracks I seem to be 0.5 to 0.8 seconds off my PB's and to be honest it sucks.. Even if I want to run the 2015 Audi I get hit with BoP on 2019 servers. At Zandvoort I can get the Evo to do 35.5 which I am happy with and I know it is more compliant over bumps than it's predecessor so I guess I have to try and figure out a way to extract the speed there for other tracks..
     
  12. Serge M

    Serge M Alien

    Sure those numbers aren’t inclusive of the minimum 75KG driver weight?
     
  13. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    Not sure and it does not align with @keith dixon SRO BoP slide.

    No clue mate. Just reporting what motec reports.
     
  14. Serge M

    Serge M Alien

  15. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    Oh i forgot about this.
    But one question comes to mind, does acc adds drivers weight ? IMO it makes no sense to add drivers weight in a virtual car. we got ballast isn't that enough to keep the field close ?
     
  16. lordpatou

    lordpatou Racer

    I Hope so, if not peuple will complain, that It is not a sim blabla, Time are not matching real life one blabla...
     
  17. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    I believe AC included driver weight within the vehicle weight therefor I presume ACC does something similar. Why the numbers maybe higher in motec could be due to fuel. Who knows.. I am not to concerned by the actual number, more looking at how each car stacks up and how it compares to it's predecessor.
     
  18. Luis Branco

    Luis Branco Hardcore Simmer

    I suspected of the 911 Evo BOP at Monza, and it really shines with +22kg than the average weight (only beaten by the +25 kg of the Audi).

    Not that that less weight would do me much help, I still be a poor driver, but at least I can now complain the reason is the added weight and not what’s between the seat and the steering wheel.:D
     
  19. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    IRL times will ALWAYS be slower than simulator time (if driven by good driver)

    *In simulator you have no fear of anything at all

    *in simulator you can practice MUCH MUCH more than what IRL drivers are allowed

    *in simulator LOT of real life elements are missing or do not affect the car as it would IRL(for example chassis flex)

    *in simulator you are running only 10L of fuel in hotlap mode while IRL they are running 60+ L

    *Limited tyres sets IRL

    * extremely different weather conditions for different sectors of track during qualifying or race, look at nords for example that track is so huge that there is rain here fog there or completely dry somewhere and this is true for any track.

    The list goes on, so the point is get simulator close enough to IRL time like 3 or 4 seconds(depending on track)and that is realistic enough.

    Also no artificial slow down of cars to match real time, consider simulator times as theoretically best possible times the given car is capable of.
     
  20. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    well that sucks for me.
     
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