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2019 Cars and Tracks BOP Discussion

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by redlinemotorsport.co.uk, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    it is not a BoP issue. I have gone faster in other cars no problems at all.
    Experiment with setup the laptimes are very close.
    Also Porsche is not the easiest car to setup or drive so touching its bop is extremely bad decisions.
    If porsche is slowed down where is the reward for skill ?
     
  2. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    Lol it is funny all you people always moan about keeping it real etc etc
    well reality is porsche is good now.
    you can see IRL results
     
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  3. romandevision

    romandevision Simracer

    I hope to see an improvement in the BMW M6 GT3. It is not so much a crutch in the IRL. Kyalami - is another proof.
     
  4. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    dunno it's weirdo how we are getting different results.. :confused:

    Thanks for your tests and results..
     
  5. I have recently saw some quick BMW at the front with very fast times, I don’t think it needs that change, it has it strengths and on some tracks it’s still a killer
     
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  6. romandevision

    romandevision Simracer

    I'm guessing it's an aliens, which I see on REX.

    Of course, they're gonna look amazing in front of the rest. But notice how much you see Porsche/AMG/Ferrari... and how much BMW.
     
  7. I don't think it's the case, I am not talking about aliens and I think its more that there are less drivers that dirve consantly only the BMW and its getting less love than others after new ones were released, its still very capable car and remember it's an old desigh now, evo cars will always be faster but its one taht can surely keep up with them, Kaylami is that example capable and experienced factory drivers on track that sutes the car both incorners and high altitudes
     
  8. Dobermann92

    Dobermann92 Gamer

    The No. 20 Porsche (which didn't featured previously in my 100% test) got all 3 poles by at least 1,5 sec each in Nurburgring, the No. 54 Porsche got 4th, 9th and 13th places, without traffic. Weird, the AI doesn't do this regularly at 90% and it seems that it favors cars over others. 100% / 100%
     
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  9. Salvatore Amato

    Salvatore Amato Simracer

    all cars are paired, some of them are easier, others are more difficult.
    There is no car that is faster in every track. if only play monza, of course amg and porsche are op. but go somewhere else....in Paul Ricard they disappear...
    Paolo Muia made a 2.15.3 at spa with the m6...
    training is the key.
    training in trailbraking is the key of the door where you find the key for the aliens room.
     
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  10. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    Now you see the 911.2 Ai dilemma.. If I am not mistaken some Ai drivers with the same vehicle will do better than others based on some sort of talent weighting assigned to them by kunos.
     
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  11. romandevision

    romandevision Simracer

    In this part, I'm sure I agree with you. I'm using ABS "1" and maybe BMW has the best brakes in the game - I used to think the opposite.
     
  12. Salvatore Amato

    Salvatore Amato Simracer

    that depends on how you brake
     
  13. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    mh not really. First, brake performance isn't only "best brakes", but a package of downforce, mechanical grip, electronics, suspension, balance and ... drag.
    You will find that the Ferrari has the most insane stopping powers towards low speeds (watch David Perel's ways to overtake cars, Silverstone is the most interesting example) - the slower cars go, the better it's relative braking gets. Porsche is similar (possibly for other reasons), but as you say the BMW also has strong braking, it has tons of air resistance. Once the power fades, this helps decelerating at high speeds (where the Ferrari has low drag in comparison), so the big brake zones from Topspeed to T1 is pretty good - rest maybe more average.

    Though I'm a layman here, @Aristotelis may completely tell a different story ;)
     
  14. romandevision

    romandevision Simracer

    In any case, it was very useful information for me - I don't know anything about aerodynamics, only conditionally and theoretically.

    To be precise, M6 brakes are the best for me, because they are the most predictable, so it would be more correct to say.

    I agree - we will call @Aristotelis and to the topic above we will ask a new question: will the temperature of brake discs be realized visually? Sometimes it seems to me that the braking distance is a little closer or farther from the same braking point, although the brake indicator is green. There is a clear border - the green weight is good, the yellow is bad. Or is there a difference in the boundaries of green?

    All with reservations about the tire wear, of course - I realize that the worn-out tires are going to have a worse braking effect. :)
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2019
  15. KrypticTMG

    KrypticTMG Rookie

    Tbh im quite dissapointed in the 2019 BOP the NSX Evo, Lambo evo and the Audi evo i just dont think there are many improvements to these cars compared to the older ones. For me the lambo and audi evo although slightly safer to driver they are just riddled with understeer and seem to lack the competitiveness. What is weird to me is cars like the Lexus, ferrari, new porsche, AMG seemed to have either kept there competitiveness or had it increased for some reason despite in real life race results showing the lambo evo, amg, and audi evo having the majority of all the success, i have no idea why the lexus is quick on this game i dont understand what it is based on? The Nsx evo although better than the old one is still just a middle of the pack car and there doesnt seem to be any benifit in picking it.

    As im league racing atm i have been going back and forth between the audi and audi evo and lambo and lambo evo and to be honest i actually prefer how the older cars handle much less understeer specially the lambo the new lambo to me is just a straight mess the car has none of the pro's of the old car but has all of the cons its just not that nice to drive.
     
  16. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    i have to strongly disagree on lamborghini points
    I exclusively drive lamborghini i mean literally driving this new lamborghini and old lamborghini everyday and new lamborghini has sorted out POWER ON understeer issues
    I'm not talking without any testing either i have done similar laps(fast one) with both cars and new evo has much less power on push infact now front end feels more planted in aero corners.
    The understeer you talking about is maybe that the car is feeling much more secure on ENTRY of corner.
    Which again is extremely good for me because now i run with much less wing
    overall new car will absolutely defeat old one if there is no BoP.
     
  17. Dobermann92

    Dobermann92 Gamer

    For me the new Lambo isn't just got rid of that understeer but got some oversteer too. The Audi Evo seems to be more stable than the previous one, the safest car to drive around in my opinion. Both are pretty good, the NSX Evo is still weak compared to anything though.
     
  18. SimGuy_1

    SimGuy_1 Simracer

    Yes new one may feel more oversteery that is because i read that aero balance in EVO car is shifted more to front and it is crucial as mid or rear engine cars lack weight on front wheels.
    good driver can make use of oversteer infact many pro drivers rather have little oversteer than understeer.
    Also i use TC at level 1 still i find oversteer very acceptable while still achieving quite fast times.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2019
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  19. Serge M

    Serge M Alien

    I drive almost exclusively the Lambo and have switched to the Evo car, only place I find it’s way down on the old one is Zolder, it’s got the most weight added there as well, a lot of the difference you would feel would be the increased weight I’d say and a bit of the aero balance but that’s easy to change.

    I’ll also add here that I think people shouldn’t really focus too much on outright lap times each car can do, the reality is that all the main cars are VERY close to each other on ultimate pace but that means little in a one hour race. One lap quali pace and race pace are two very different things. Consistency will also get you much further up the grid in results then outright speed. If you are only doing a 15 minute sprint then you will miss a lot of the point of ACC.

    To really experience ACC, pick a car, pick a good community within reasonable ping distance of you, and race a season with them. Some tracks will suit your car, some will require more work. Over a full season with decent distance races, proper race rules, variable conditions and especially wether, there really won’t be such a thing as “fastest car” it’s all too variable for that.

    A little off topic... sorry
     
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  20. KrypticTMG

    KrypticTMG Rookie

    Over the last two days i have done two full practice races with 20+ drivers at catalunya the first one i did in the lambo evo the 2nd i did in the old lambo I also used the old lambo for the whole of last season gt3 Elite in AOR plus a ton of hotlap videos on Yt so i have driven the car alot, But I was consistently quicker in yesterdays race in the old lambo than i was the day b4 in the evo track temps were like 44c, In the evo by the time i got too the pitstops the car was sliding everywhere lap times fell away so i tried the old lambo copied over the evo setup onto it and i was flying the initial turn in and braking just feel more positive to me. Your saying the evo would be faster without B.O.P but the problem is we have B.O.P so being safer car to drive doesnt make it faster that all depends on skill level if you are ok with driving a edgey car you will prefer the old lambo because there is nothing that really stands out about the new lambo evo considering in real life it won the championship you would think it would be much more competitive than it is atm.
     
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