Assetto Corsa Competizione - 2021-2022-2023-2024 Generic discussion

Yep, maybe in my dreams, different categories from GT3/GT4 in an upcoming DLC.

 

Go back to my first post today, about FFB, Aston V8 at Monza. A question at the end; anyone else suffering long save/load times after the latest patch?

 

FFB code for AC and ACC is pretty much exactly the same, line by line.. what's changed is the tyre DATA.

This has been explained hundreds of times.. tyres in ACC are way more "peaky" than in AC.. so all the interesting stuff happens at lower slip angles... it's all in there, but it's all concentrated in a very small range and happens FAST so things can be harder to "feel".. but it has absolutely nothing to do with FFB code.

Yes... increase the tyre operating angles, give them more grip over the limit and puff.. everything becomes more communicative, easier and full of FEELZ.. cars wobble around while braking and all but that's not really what the project is about isn't it?

 

no clue about the loading times.

The other one is not a question but an observation.. and it has nothing to do with FFB.. the car does what it does because the physics does it...FFB simply fetches 2 numbers, sums them up and sends the result to the steering wheel.

 

Thanks for this explanation, I wasn't here when the lesson was given.

 

While we are on the subject of ffb, saw something interesting in the Automobilista 2 patch notes:

Introduced routine to reset FFB in case of FFB loss (game detects the loss and reset FFB automatically, should be seamless for player.

This is interesting as in the Bathurst 12 hour on our first stop the second driver had no ffb in his wheel, we had to pit and swap drivers which cost time.

And on the last stop where I was going to be finishing the final 50 minutes of the race when I got the car I had no steering, this caused a massive issue as the only way to fix is to exit ACC in full. With 4 drivers in the car this means everyone has to exit the server and rejoin in the correct order, one guy was away so by the time we got this done we lost 4 or so laps.

For me I’m guessing the USB port dropped between my stints, resetting the wheel base did nothing as did refreshing the controls in the options menu.

Would be good if there was a way to get it to re-detect input devices without having to exit the server/whole game.

 

Is the dynamic damping in ACC the same thing as the gyro setting in AC? I was wondering what would be the equivalent values to set for those if I wanted to get the same (or very similar) result.

 

yes, although honestly I don't remember if the formula was changed or not... so not sure what an equivalent value would be.

 

I wonder if Aris has planned a video about this topic.

 

Kevin has a video on Youtube (but in German) and clearly recommends DynDamp at 100.
Have changed it after a long time from ~35 to 100 - not a huge difference but I like the slightly higher resistance better.

 

I remember on weaker wheels it can be better to go lower because the added resistance would mask the other forces, especially on high speed corners. I still use an old G27 so I have settled with 40%.

 

That was about gain and road effects

 

Nope

 

Are you saying all we need to get ACC's excellent FFB in AC is tyre data?

Can we start a GoFundMe for a nice relaxing side project for Aris or yourself?

 

I need this also for battery switching on my wireless VR. Although Steam keeps running ACC drops connection and strange things happen. Most of the times the sound is lost and plays in the speakers in the other room. Other times FFB or the steering is lost. A quick refresh button or command would be great.

 

tyres are one of the biggest factors ya.. but not the only one.

Again there's really no such a thing as "FFB" without physics.. think of it like a speaker that reproduces music.
FFB is the speaker.. physics is the song.

AC and ACC have pretty much the same speaker.. so to get the same result you need to play the same song... saying "so I can get the excellent ACC speaker" is nonsense.. it IS the same speaker... the song is different.

ACC is the result of 3-4 years (how long as it been? I forgot) of improvements over what we finished with in AC... going from the data, the 64bit precision physics engine, to the tyre collision system, the completely new aero system, the chassis flex and all the other great stuff made possible by the awesome work of Fernando coding and Aris' developments... all of that improved the song, and that's why it sounds better... or not ... that's up to the listener I guess

 

I always believe that's a different approach, also noticeable in AC.
You need a motion rig to get what you want.

By the way, with some setup adjustments you can adjust your FFB felling.

 

Yes that would definitely be useful.
I have a similar (although not as bad) issue with my T500RS where sometimes I start playing and the wheel has a huge "spring effect", while other times it is perfectly normal (only happens in ACC, never happened in AC). I haven't taken the time to verify when this happens, what i do is simply adjust the FFB strength on the fly (numkey 8 and 2), but it's weird. If there was a way to "reset" the FFB that would be useful.