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Assetto Corsa Competizione - RayTracing confirmed?

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by Deatroy, Aug 17, 2018.

  1. Znam Neznam

    Znam Neznam Hardcore Simmer

    thats really horrible fps with top of the line 2080ti, obviously with ray tracing being very computationally expensive but still wow.



    would rather get 1080ti and run 4k 60fps or 1440p for $600-700.


    let the price drop on 10 series start!
     
  2. Echo_29

    Echo_29 Hardcore Simmer

    I run in VR so RT will be useless for me, I just want to know if we can increase supersampling/graphics settings when running in VR with a solid 90FPS. They say the new card is 6 times faster than the next best card, will wait to see if this is true when we get some benchmarks.
     
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  3. BrunUK

    BrunUK Alien

    Ray tracing unconfirmed, lol.

    I hate to think Kunos would use significant resources to implement this, even if there's financial backing from nvidia. There are other proprietary technologies (single-pass stereo for VR) which would be of benefit to a far greater number of people. Not that I'd expect nvidia to contribute anything towards the development of that, given that's it's been pretty much ignored for two years.
     
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  4. BrunUK

    BrunUK Alien

    You honestly believe a card could be *six* times faster from one generation to the next? That's obviously referring to ray tracing potential, for which there was no specific hardware on Pascal.

    If Turing ran regular games significantly faster we'd have heard about it yesterday. The silence speaks volumes.
     
  5. Echo_29

    Echo_29 Hardcore Simmer

    From the sounds of it, it's just a 1080ti with RT support.
     
  6. Deatroy

    Deatroy Alien

    "For existing games, Turing will deliver 2x the performance and 4K HDR gaming at 60 FPS on even the most demanding titles."

    They say 50%, surely peak numbers.
    I guess 40% more power normally.

    Source:
    https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/20/geforce-rtx-real-time-ray-tracing/

    Gesendet von meinem HTC One mit Tapatalk
     
  7. Andrew_WOT

    Andrew_WOT Alien

    Watch from 33 minutes and have a good laugh


    Accordingly to Huang "it's irresponsible amount of power' LOL :)
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    Last edited: Aug 21, 2018
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  8. chuky

    chuky Alien

    Tu vuò fà la Competiziano
     
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  9. Lawndart

    Lawndart Hardcore Simmer

    This right here. Not a single benchmark of games in the presentation. According to leading tech blogs, reading detailed specs, it can’t be more than 20% faster than a 1080ti at best. And the heavy promo of proprietary features was smoke screen.

    But $$$ to performance? With the 2080ti marked up 50% higher than a 1080ti new?! Shatters their own price point structure.

    I ordered one anyway, as a developer, but after 2 decades of supporting Gfx accelerators there is something really off about this one. Though I do appreciate the 20k version to keep the cripto mining kitties away from the gamer boards.
     
  10. Poguinhas

    Poguinhas Alien

    The people at Nvidia are geniuses. They had an incredible leap forward with Pascal, both in terms of performance as well as efficiency. So how do you follow that act? Create a new feature that all games simply "must have", and then create the only video cards that are able to support that feature, so now even the best of the best video cards become obsolete.

    Honestly, RayTracing seems awesome, but I really don't see any reason to spend 1000+ dollars on a graphics card just to have better shadows and reflections, especially if the performance numbers for the RTX 2080 Ti are as low as some have been saying with RT on.
     
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  11. LeDude83

    LeDude83 Alien

    I guess you're right. Ray tracing is cool but - as it looks right now - not remotely usable with the new gen NVIDIA hardware. It's a strategic move to generate sales. There would have been much, much more user-relevant topics they could have focused on like downsampling performance for VR and low-DPI screen users users or single pass rendering.

    The recent past has brought many good new things that require a lot of GPU grunt: VR and high refresh rate screens. These two are proper, immersion boosting technologies adapted by many gamers, already. Instead of focusing on that, NVIDIA releases a feature that - right now - gives you a small benefit while eating up all the ressources you need for really important stuff.
     
  12. Serge M

    Serge M Alien

    NVIDIA didn’t exactly invent raytracing, it’s been around for a very long time, just never in the consumer space, raytracing has also been added to dx12 earlier this year. All Nvidia did is hardware accelarate it. AMD can and no doubt will do the same
     
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  13. You can just imagine how this is all playing out behind the scenes:

    Nvidia: "We've got Ray tracing running on hardware, in real time, do you want to play"
    Game company: "Do bears s__t in the woods?!?!"
    Game dev team: [remember having worked their whole careers with this Ray Tracing thing not being close to reality]: "Sure, we'll get this code running, but don't for the love of all that is good, put it in the hands of bloggers"
    Dave the Team lead: "Got it, no one will touch it, we just need to show it off on stage, it will be very controlled, we're months off launch - UE4 RTX branch hasn't even made final code yet, we've got tonnnnes of time, just need to get it looking good - performance is later, I'll gaurd it with my life".
    A couple of weeks later, twas the night before Gamescon
    Someone (marketing....): "Oh look here's that Game Demo, I can't find Dave. Why don't we run it on the media machine as well ?"
    Someone else (marketing #2): "Sure sounds good to me"
    Launch.... preorder...
    Bloggers: "We've got to play with this cool new tech, ooo...aaaa....errr... oh look stuttering! to the internets! "
    Public: "Where's the cancel order button"
    Nvidia execs: "Why are we getting spikes in pre order cancels?!?"
    Nvidia marketing: "Have you seen r/nvidia??"
    Dev team collectively: "Dave!!!!"

    Regardless of how good (or not..) this next generation of cards will (or wont) be. I for one, am on the glass half full side of the fence, albeit will pragmatically wait till some hard numbers come out. It's an important step forward towards more immersive simming be it 1, 2 or 5 years away..

    It's a bold move by Nvidia - they've put a lot of weight on these presentations (plural.. we had SIGGRAPH a few weeks ago). If they completely ___ the bed on it, that's a lot of brand damage to rebuild - so you hope they've done their homework.
     
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  14. Turk

    Turk Alien

    I don't think Nvidia would be releasing ray tracing and promoting that fact unless they knew they'd be making money out of it. They clearly believe it's the future of GPUs and they would know.
     
  15. Serge M

    Serge M Alien

    It very much is the future of GPU’s, and seems Nvidia has caught AMD sleeping on this one. AMD will inevitably support it as well but if they were really unprepared that could take a fair amount of time (years) and Nvidia will win massive market share in that time
     
  16. Serge M

    Serge M Alien

  17. ZioYuri78

    ZioYuri78 Hardcore Simmer

    A game that run at 30fps at 1080p with realtime raytracing it's a miracle, trust me, it's a very heavy calculation to do and it's unbelievable that nowaday we achieved this level of performance.
     
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  18. This for sure. The calculations per second are just incredible :eek:
     
  19. Echo_29

    Echo_29 Hardcore Simmer

    Ray tracing for sure is definitely a tech for the future, the fact we have it in the next gen GPUs its an achievement, and will push the development faster, however I'm sure most gamers would rather run ray tracing off and have better performance, run maxed out ultra settings with very high frames for the smoothest possible gameplay.
     
  20. ZioYuri78

    ZioYuri78 Hardcore Simmer

    Yup, it's insane :eek:

    That's why i will stay with my 1080 for a while...or until i will need it for my job (maybe NVIDIA or Epic can send me a gift :D).
     
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