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Assetto Corsa Competizione - RayTracing confirmed?

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by Deatroy, Aug 17, 2018.

  1. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    I believe the Battlefield demo (including what they showed backstage) actually ran at 60. From what I heard the Tomb Raider demo however wasn't as smooth, even the gameplay demo with fewer lights shown backstage. But I would consider here that the devs most likely didn't have a lot of time to prepare for gamescom, and it will be a while still before the first games implement this in public builds.
     
  2. RS10

    RS10 Simracer

    For both the 9 and 10 series Geforce GPUs the TFlops were indicative for their performance relative to each other.
    960 2.3
    1060 3.4

    970 3.4
    1070 5.8
    1070ti 7.8
    2070 7.5

    980 4.6
    980ti 5.6
    1080 8.2
    1080ti 10.6
    2080 10.1
    2080ti 13.4

    the 1060 was roughly an equivalent to the 970
    the 1070 was an equivalent to the 980ti
    both in avg. FPS/performance and TFlops

    the 2070 is level with a 1070ti
    the 2080 is lower than a 1080ti

    so if the TFlops are anything to go by the 20 series is maybe 20% faster and at the same time the prices went up one bracket

    the 970 was 320€, the 1070 was €500€ (slightly cheaper than a 980), the 2070 is 640€ (the price of a 1080 before the crypto boom)

    and none of the games use 'full' ray tracing, it's just shadows in Tomb Raider (which runs at 30-40fps in 1080p) and just reflections in BF V, which according to several outlets kept going down to slideshow FPS in addition to using extremely aggressive LOD, meaning pop-ins and further objects being ignored completely

    and all this with a 2080ti - with any of the slower cards you buy the tech which will be completely and utterly useless because the 1070 probably won't be able to even get 30fps

    but all this is ofc with a "maybe it's still just the drivers and poor optimization" [edit: and ofc the fact that it's a new achitecture]
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2018
  3. Psit

    Psit Alien

    Except it is not raytracing, it is just the beginning towards real raytracing, only raytraced shadows and lighting effects and features such as reflections.
    Even nvidia stated RTX is not raytraced rendering (i am no expert, something along these lines)

    Real raytracing hardware will take a long time and will be the way to have photorealistic graphics.
     
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  4. kofotsjanne

    kofotsjanne Alien

    just imagine how awesome the helmet cam could look in vr with this. maybe not on this generation of gpus or in this game but when its time for Kunos next game and the gpus are more powerful and the developers have got some time to learn how to get the most out of it. by then we will have better vr headsets aswell.
     
  5. kunos

    kunos Alien

    they are probably referring to the fact that ray tracing is only used for "secondary bounces" after a first pass is done with normal rasterization techniques... which is the correct thing to do as the result will be exactly the same and rasterization is several order of magnitude faster than raytracing for that.
    But I wouldn't go as far as saying "it's not raytracing".
     
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  6. Andrew_WOT

    Andrew_WOT Alien

    Wow, if anything NVidia made significant step up from 9th to 10th series, performance almost doubled.
    But personally I wasn't floored switching from 980 to 1080Ti. Sounds like going to 2080 will be even bigger disappointment esp. for the price. Better to wait this gen over.
     
  7. RS10

    RS10 Simracer

    The step between 9 and 10 series was big BUT it came at a price (literally), the step between the 7 and 9 series was also significant and the cards cost the same or were even cheaper than their predecessors in their respective bracket
     
  8. Andrew_WOT

    Andrew_WOT Alien

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    Interesting.
     
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  9. ZioYuri78

    ZioYuri78 Hardcore Simmer

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  11. RS10

    RS10 Simracer

    Looks like they took the "boosted" TFlops, which makes the new cards look even worse in comparison
     
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  12. Znam Neznam

    Znam Neznam Hardcore Simmer

    The thing that really sucks.

    AMD has zero to challenge Nvidia.

    AMD Navi won't probably arrive till mid 2019.

    Rumor being it will be 1080 levels of performance at 250-300$ which as usual is load of....


    These days graphics market is like cell phone market.

    $1000+ is just the norm these days.
     
  13. Rudski

    Rudski Alien

    If we want to render a scene that is full photo-realistic and we want to simulate in real time the interaction of light and all objects, based on current trends such as Moore's law and a few other assumptions, it's still going to take approximately 100 years. Sad face.
     
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  14. henri

    henri Hardcore Simmer

  15. Eero

    Eero Simracer

    8 min presentation about ray tracing in ACC

     
  16. Andrew_WOT

    Andrew_WOT Alien

    Awesome, never thought that AC could become NVidia poster child.
    Congrats to the team.
     
  17. Torcano

    Torcano Alien

    Say what you will about ray tracing and all that jazz, we gotta hand it to Kunos for actually trying something new, that is to push the visual aspect of not just sims but games in general. All this from a small team of people that we interact with regularly and know on a name by name basis, that's damn impressive. I cannot think of a single other AAA game in that nvidia line up that I know the names of any developers, all I know are the corporate faces that represent those companies that have employee rosters the size of small towns. All in all, I'd say the Kunos crew are doing fantastic work. To see our niche, borderline obscure hobby being represented on the big stage like this is amazing. :D
     
  18. bgil66

    bgil66 Alien

    Well thanks to this forum I now know what Ray Tracing is:D
     
  19. Serge M

    Serge M Alien

    ACC wth raytracing does look very cool, proper mirrors! I wonder how it would behave in VR performance wise. Also so much pretyness is begging for a higher res HMD which brings with it more performance questions. My poor bank account can’t take so much punishment :(
     
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  20. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    Personally I don't expect to be able (read: currently justify the price of essentially a new PC) to play the sim with those features soon but I think it's awesome that Kunos are implementing them. Ray tracing has always been this fascinating 'holy grail of computer graphics' and that's on step closer. Pretty cool.

    And ultimately I'm just happy that AC actually gets some attention outside our very niche sim crowd.
     
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