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BoP Adjustments v1.5.7

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by scalefox, Sep 24, 2020.

  1. Dewald Nel

    Dewald Nel Simracer

    ....... no thanks.
  2. Creegz

    Creegz Racer

    You're imagining that 100%.

    BOP is done by restricting air or fuel into the engine or changing the timing of ignition to match the average pace on a track. So some will get limited and others will get limits removed (where possible). Your road car is heavily restricted to what it can do, pull those restrictions off and it changes considerably. Put an intake and turbo on a (by default) naturally aspirated car and you will see a power increase but at higher elevations, you will lose some of that advantage because the fuel/air mix is not right. Get an ECU tune and the power and efficiency will be improved considerably, tune for different regions/elevations/temperatures and it will be a massive change once again. So restricting fuel or airflow will just change how much the car can do at any given time, heck even just adjusting ignition timings by a few hundredths of a second will serve the same purpose.

    TL;DR BOP does not affect the chassis, just the raw output of the engine.
  3. Firmi

    Firmi Gamer

    BoP is also done by adding weight afaik ;)
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  4. Mickipepsi

    Mickipepsi Rookie

    Different cars also have different minimum ride heights to compensate for better aero platforms.
  5. Rogue Leader

    Rogue Leader Simracer

    You said "The car is identical" Clearly they changed something about a bunch of the cars, so no, its not identical. It feels different, I've spent 250 hours running this car in this game, also racing cars IRL. It FEELS different to me, so dismiss my opinion that it feels slower with "Its identical" which we know its not, is lame.

    No, I'm not. And where did I say the chassis dynamics felt different? I said the car felt different, without giving any specifics.

    Thanks for the attempted lesson on vehicle dynamics, however BOP is also adjusted via ballast weight so there goes that. I've been racing cars and building race cars IRL for over 20 years, so again thanks for the "lesson" but I'll stick with how it feels, and the fact the devs literally said they just tweaked the BOP to get the cars closer together.

    The Porsche was known to be the fastest in the field at most tracks while hardest to drive. The fact its a touch slower now would completely make sense.

    Oh and to the both of you:
    The dev LITERALLY said it was slower. heck you "liked" his post.
    Neilski and chksix like this.
  6. pankykapus

    pankykapus KS Dev Team Staff Member KS Dev Team

    The balancing is done in the narrow area of freedom that we have aside the hard data/BoP that remains locked in place. Some cars are globally affected, some cars only at certain tracks, and some cars in both direction to try to offset some of the inconsistency from track to track, and most importantly, the majority are not affected at all.
    The underlying SRO BoP is not changed, weights, engine restrictors and boost maps have remained as specified, and tyres/setups are not affected at all.

    Due to this, it would be impossible to make a changelog that A: is understandable for users and B: without giving out sensitive data.
    dek, exited22, David Danser and 18 others like this.
  7. For me its totally fine to not know what exactly has changed. As long as the hard datd/ BoP is still intact, i dont care. Thanks for the clarification @pankykapus .
    Elrann, sissydriver and pankykapus like this.
  8. pankykapus

    pankykapus KS Dev Team Staff Member KS Dev Team

    To prove your point, you can now enjoy your final warning before one.
  9. Unf

    Unf Racer

    Of course, threating forum members is very impressing way to build good community. Let's ban me if I don't have permission to say just what I think, creating new account is just 5min work anyway. I bet people like you have a lot of pleasure to use their "power" on computer game's boards... it's so childlish.
    Poloman and CatXn like this.
  10. Jonnela

    Jonnela Gamer

    You are the one that is acting very childish lol.
    JanR, Freddie Seng, aotto1977 and 6 others like this.
  11. :p
  12. Thomas Fun

    Thomas Fun Racer

    I see members in this forum even discussing features or new content of competitors in the sim racing market freely, so where exactly is the issue? Just keep the "devs suck" attitude for yourself, or write it on a piece of paper if it bothers you so much.

    LATE4APEX Alien

    The "issue",... is neurological.
    AndyK70 likes this.
  14. Rogue Leader

    Rogue Leader Simracer

    Never said the BOP was changed.... no specifics of anything.

    People sure do like to assume on this forum.
  15. bhowe83

    bhowe83 Racer

    Is that a challenge? ;);)
  16. sissydriver

    sissydriver Alien

  17. bhowe83

    bhowe83 Racer

    Also on the topic of BOP, has the overall grip at Bathurst been looked at? I know the Merc did get slowed down, but overall the whole field seemed way too fast. Most cars in the field could lap at 2:00-2:01 second laps in game, with the Merc sub 2:00. It seems in real life the max outright pace was around 2:04 or so for most drivers.
  18. sissydriver

    sissydriver Alien

    bathurst is special cause here is the difference real life / simracing bigger than on other tracks. think bout best lap audi 1.59(58?) - so for me its okay
  19. Rogue Leader

    Rogue Leader Simracer

    The top Quali times this year for the 12 hour were in the low 2:03's but there was someone who did a 1:59 in an Audi in practice I think or something, I'm not sure. Certainly not a speed thats sustainable for more than a lap or two.
  20. pankykapus

    pankykapus KS Dev Team Staff Member KS Dev Team

    If you refer to the SimGrid race last weekend, it had around 10 degrees average ambient temps and maximum 20 degrees track temperature (started from 9 degrees in the morning hours), which is pretty much world-record hotlapping temperature, so it was incomparable to the scorching heat that the real-life race usually exhibits. Just set maximum temps in single player and see if you can go near the same laptimes.
    Those high-2:00 and low-2:01s were not quite sustainable for more than a couple of laps per stint, and in double stints easily went up to 2:03-2:04s.
    chksix, mikocchio and Creegz like this.
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