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Car time ranking

Discussion in 'Chit Chat Room' started by WallyM, Mar 21, 2015.

  1. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    Courtesy of the RSR rank, I have sorted all the AC cars by relative performance, so you can see what car matches up with what. The top 5% of PRO rank lap times are averaged across
    Spa, Mugello, Imola, Silverstone, Nurburgring GP and GT, Vallelunga Full and Classic, Monza, Magione, Zandvoort, Barcelona GP and Moto, Brands Hatch GP, Red Bull Ring and Laguna Seca.

    The lap time taken is the median of all PRO lap times at a track from the world record to 5% slower e.g. if the world record was 100 seconds, lap times from 1:40 to 1:45 (105 seconds).

    Air temp between 25 and 27 degrees, track temp is between 34 and 39.

    From AC 1.14 onwards, when wind was introduced, times are only taken from hotlap sessions with no wind.

    Because not all car/track combos have times recorded, when comparing two cars to see which one's faster, the comparison only looks at tracks where both cars have times recorded. The "Diff Prev" column in the list below shows on average how many seconds slower the car is than the previous car, where they have tracks in common.

    AC 1.7+ CAR RANK (Apr 23, 2020) - 26,905 laps counted
    Extra weighting for AC 1.12+ and 1.11 times.


    Code:
    Car,                               Diff Prev,Laps,
    Ferrari F2004,                     ,         324   
    Ferrari SF70H,                     1.61,     158   
    Ferrari F138,                      1.64,     301   
    Lotus Exos 125 Stage 1,            1.65,     176   
    Ferrari SF15-T,                    0.96,     140   
    Lotus 98T,                         1.80,     80   
    Lotus Exos 125,                    1.22,     158   
    Porsche 919 Hybrid 2016,           0.90,     213   
    Porsche 919 Hybrid 2015,           2.36,     64   
    Toyota TS040 Hybrid 2014,          0.88,     100   
    Audi R18 e-tron quattro 2014,      1.63,     105   
    Dallara F317,                      2.69,     235   
    McLaren P1? GTR,                   2.06,     150   
    McLaren P1?,                       2.44,     125   
    Porsche 962 C Short Tail,          0.44,     207   
    Mercedes-Benz C9 1989 LM,          0.64,     89   
    Porsche 917/30 Spyder,             0.13,     68   
    Mazda 787B,                        0.22,     173   
    Ferrari 488 GT3,                   0.22,     373   
    Porsche 962 C Long Tail,           0.10,     54   
    Ferrari FXX K,                     0.14,     145   
    Porsche 911 GT1-98,                0.60,     161   
    Pagani Zonda R,                    0.08,     243   
    Lotus 72D,                         0.61,     111   
    Ferrari 312T,                      0.32,     141   
    Pagani Huayra BC,                  0.24,     74   
    Tatuus FA01,                       0.17,     1025  
    Ferrari 599XX EVO,                 0.16,     311   
    Porsche 911 RSR 2017,              0.06,     572   
    Maserati MC12 GT1,                 0.24,     158   
    McLaren 650S GT3,                  0.02,     283   
    Chevrolet Corvette C7R,            0.43,     236   
    BMW Z4 GT3,                        0.13,     438   
    Lamborghini Huracan GT3,           0.03,     359   
    Mercedes-Benz AMG GT3,             0.19,     284   
    Ferrari 458 GT2,                   0.03,     705   
    Porsche 911 GT3 R 2016,            0.00,     554   
    Audi R8 LMS 2016,                  0.01,     244   
    Lamborghini Huracan ST,            0.11,     85   
    SCG 003C,                          0.06,     157   
    Nissan GT-R GT3,                   0.08,     261   
    Ferrari LaFerrari,                 0.14,     175   
    Audi R8 LMS Ultra,                 0.15,     235   
    BMW M3 GT2,                        0.09,     313   
    McLaren MP4-12C GT3,               0.25,     416   
    Mercedes SLS AMG GT3,              0.15,     157   
    Porsche 911 GT3 Cup 2017,          0.10,     848   
    McLaren F1 GTR,                    0.17,     144   
    Porsche 918 Spyder,                0.13,     156   
    Lamborghini Sesto Elemento,        0.17,     59   
    P4/5 Competizione 2011,            0.46,     84   
    Lotus Evora GX,                    0.56,     98   
    Lotus 3-Eleven,                    0.05,     166   
    Lotus Evora GTC,                   0.48,     122   
    Praga R1,                          0.24,     201   
    Lotus Type 49,                     0.20,     85   
    Porsche 935/78 Moby Dick,          0.21,     94   
    Pagani Huayra,                     0.03,     83   
    Audi TT RS (VLN),                  0.08,     165   
    Ferrari 312/67,                    0.08,     81   
    Ferrari 458 Italia Stage 3,        0.24,     196   
    Lamborghini Gallardo SL Step3,     1.88,     28   
    Porsche 917 K,                     0.10,     138   
    Ferrari F40 Stage 3,               1.22,     52   
    Lamborghini Aventador SV,          0.07,     81   
    Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport,      0.49,     444   
    Maserati GranTurismo MC GT4,       0.21,     228   
    Ferrari 812 Superfast,             0.11,     162   
    Audi Sport quattro S1 E2,          0.65,     155   
    Ferrari 488 GTB,                   0.34,     198   
    Audi TT Cup,                       0.55,     189   
    Lamborghini Gallardo SL,           0.10,     86   
    Lotus 2-Eleven GT4,                1.17,     84   
    Porsche 911 GT3 RS,                0.01,     434   
    Alfa Romeo 155 TI V6,              0.23,     267   
    Ferrari 330 P4,                    0.07,     91   
    RUF RT12 R AWD,                    0.46,     39   
    McLaren 570S,                      0.08,     111   
    Mercedes-Benz 190E EVO II,         0.17,     215   
    RUF RT12 R,                        0.01,     53   
    Porsche 911 Turbo S,               0.18,     251   
    BMW M3 E30 Gr.A 92,                0.00,     197   
    KTM X-Bow R,                       0.17,     361   
    Ferrari 458 Italia,                0.20,     379   
    RUF CTR Yellowbird,                0.29,     57   
    Porsche 911 R,                     0.08,     239   
    Lotus 2-Eleven,                    0.11,     141   
    Nissan GT-R NISMO,                 0.26,     149   
    McLaren MP4-12C,                   0.00,     231   
    BMW M235i Racing,                  0.23,     304   
    Ferrari F40,                       0.29,     117   
    Porsche 908 LH,                    0.34,     90   
    Toyota Supra MKIV Time Attack,     0.04,     69   
    Ford GT40,                         0.12,     83   
    BMW M3 E30 Group A,                0.86,     130   
    Toyota AE86 Tuned,                 0.41,     80   
    Audi R8 V10 Plus,                  0.05,     116   
    Porsche Cayman GT4,                0.09,     152   
    Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio,    0.00,     166   
    Mazda RX-7 Tuned,                  0.08,     85   
    Mercedes SLS AMG,                  0.00,     126   
    Lotus Exige V6 CUP,                0.14,     81   
    Porsche 911 Carrera S,             0.09,     159   
    Lotus Exige 240R Stage3,           0.21,     53   
    Toyota Celica ST185 4WD Turbo,     0.14,     95   
    Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0,       0.07,     183   
    Lotus Evora GTE Carbon,            0.94,     48   
    Ferrari GTO,                       0.33,     80   
    Chevrolet Corvette C7 Stingray,    0.01,     118   
    Shelby Cobra 427 S/C,              0.12,     96   
    Lotus Evora GTE,                   0.17,     43   
    Lotus Evora S Stage 2,             0.29,     26   
    Lotus Exige S,                     0.17,     55   
    Toyota Supra MKIV Drift,           0.50,     21   
    Porsche Panamera Turbo,            0.05,     66   
    BMW M4 Akrapovic,                  0.48,     82   
    Porsche 718 Cayman S,              0.03,     96   
    Lotus Exige Scura,                 0.27,     66   
    Lotus Exige S roadster,            0.52,     24   
    Porsche 718 Boxster S PDK,         0.03,     84   
    Porsche 718 Boxster S,             0.40,     92   
    Maserati Alfieri,                  0.00,     47   
    BMW M4,                            0.07,     111   
    Lamborghini Countach,              0.14,     79   
    Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale,            0.69,     112   
    Lotus Exige 240R,                  0.02,     81   
    Mazda MX5 Cup,                     0.26,     378   
    Lotus Evora S,                     0.03,     44   
    Maserati Quattroporte GTS,         0.46,     48   
    Alfa Romeo 4C,                     0.29,     206   
    Audi Sport quattro Step1,          0.31,     34   
    BMW M3 E92,                        0.24,     118   
    Lamborghini Countach S1,           0.31,     27   
    Mazda RX-7 Spirit R,               0.39,     98   
    Abarth 500 Assetto Corse,          0.04,     245   
    Lotus Elise SC Step2,              0.45,     43   
    Porsche Cayenne Turbo S,           1.87,     71   
    Lotus Elise SC Step1,              0.17,     22   
    BMW Z4 E89 Drift,                  0.84,     7     
    BMW 1M Stage 3,                    0.50,     52   
    BMW M3 E92 Step1,                  0.30,     42   
    BMW 1M,                            0.47,     162   
    Ford Mustang 2015,                 0.26,     104   
    BMW Z4 E89 Step1,                  0.51,     39   
    Lotus Elise SC,                    0.42,     97   
    Nissan 370z Nismo,                 0.15,     105   
    Ford Escort RS1600,                0.21,     134   
    BMW M3 E30 Drift,                  0.02,     15   
    Nissan Skyline GTR R34 V-Spec,     0.71,     119   
    Toyota Supra MKIV,                 0.17,     62   
    BMW Z4 E89,                        0.05,     54   
    Maserati Levante S,                0.44,     58   
    Porsche Macan Turbo,               0.15,     77   
    Lotus Type 25,                     0.56,     70   
    Audi Sport quattro,                0.17,     59   
    Lamborghini Miura P400 SV,         0.18,     64   
    Ferrari 250 GTO,                   0.91,     116   
    BMW M3 E92 drift,                  0.09,     13   
    BMW M3 E30 Step1,                  1.34,     64   
    BMW M3 E30,                        0.39,     139   
    Maserati 250F 12 cylinder,         0.69,     51   
    Audi S1,                           0.56,     135   
    Maserati 250F 6 cylinder,          0.29,     61   
    Toyota GT86,                       0.13,     180   
    Mazda MX5 ND,                      0.57,     162   
    Abarth 500 EsseEsse Step1,         1.18,     75   
    Toyota AE86 Drift,                 0.21,     12   
    Abarth 500 EsseEsse,               3.15,     103   
    Giulietta QV,                      1.08,     89   
    Giulietta QV Launch Edition 2014,  0.23,     63   
    Alfa Romeo GTA,                    0.93,     115   
    Porsche 718 RS 60 Spyder,          0.31,     87   
    Alfa Romeo Mito QV,                0.02,     96   
    Toyota AE86,                       4.28,     79   
    Mazda Miata NA,                    3.28,     176   
    Abarth 595 SS Step 2,              12.12,    46   
    Abarth 595 SS,                     20.41,    70   
    Abarth 595 SS Step 1,              0.06,     25   
    
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2020
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  3. Thomas Gocke

    Thomas Gocke Alien

    that's interesting, thanks.

    Why is the 458 GT2 missing?

    The number of total entries per car or the number of used entries per car would be interesting along side the lap time. Maybe somehow have the popularity of the certain combo play a role in the stats, popular cars/combos will produce faster lap times, but atm I don't know how.
     
  4. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    Good pickup! I don't know, but I'll look into it.
     
  5. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    Fixed!

    The times are what they are. No need to overcomplicate it.
     
  6. djkostas

    djkostas Hardcore Simmer

    Thanks for your work on making this list.

    However, taking the GT3s for example, I would say it's still too soon to make any accurate assumptions.
    Many of the combos are missing some of the faster guys laps.
    Either way, still good for a ballpark estimation.

    I just hope you have already put a mark on your calendar to come back and readjust the list after some time has passed. :)
     
  7. Fear

    Fear Racer

    Great work!
    Seems odd to me, that the GTA is faster than the QV, but I suppose it's my bad. :)
    Also, some other cars are not where I expected them to be, relative to others, but maybe the data is incomplete?
     
  8. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    Being a programmer, it's automated. I expect to come back after some time and press the button again, as it will only get more accurate with time and more laps.
     
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  9. PAKFA

    PAKFA Alien

    Good effort Wally, but what would really be nice is a global ranking list of all cars on Nordschleife, Tourist and 24h.

    I miss the Leaderboard of GT6 from gtplanet > https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt6-nürburgring-lap-time-board-2-0.317912/
    If you look at the spreadsheet under Open category you can still see my records after more than a year > https://www.dropbox.com/s/g987ytgds1s273i/GTP Nurburg 2.1.xlsx?dl=0#
    *(I find this funny, since I'm not alien material) :D

    Would great to have this on AC too, or at least RSR should have the option to select the track and list All Cars WR for that track, currently they don't have that otion. Hm, now that I think about it I should ask this in their topic.
     
  10. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    I can do that.
     
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  11. mattrick

    mattrick Racer

    This is really helpful for choosing AI opposition with rather than just using the same type.

    Muchos Gracias
     
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  12. PAKFA

    PAKFA Alien

    Great. I just asked the question on RSR topic, let's wait and see what Andrea has to say about it.
     
  13. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    I added the Nordschleife rank to the first post.
     
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  14. PAKFA

    PAKFA Alien

    That was quick! :eek: Thanks. :)

    P.S. Can you make it show instead of seconds, this format: HH:MM:SS:MS ?
    Of course we wont have hours, but you get my point.
     
  15. 1karl1

    1karl1 Simracer

    Great list but remember some of the car/track combinations have very little activity in terms of total drivers who've completed a clean lap as of now . For instance i'm 4th fastest in the M3 E30 at Nords tourist which sounds awesome until you see there's only 5 registered times ha ! .
     
  16. PAKFA

    PAKFA Alien

    I wouldn't worry about any of the Nords layouts, in a relative short time the leader boards will be very populated.
     
  17. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    Updated!
     
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  18. It's odd that the Evora GX seems to have slightly quicker lap times than the Evora GTC. In my case, it is exactly the opposite, although that's with default setups for both cars.
     
  19. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    I've published a new list in the first post, with only times set since AC 1.1, since some cars' performances have changed in that release. There are several car/track combos with no times, so I've averaged each car's relative rank at a track, such that 1.000 is the fastest time. This is to allow for averaging across different combos with missing data.

    I will update this over time as we get more post-1.1 laps in the RSR rank.
     
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  20. WallyM

    WallyM Alien

    Updated 1.1 rank times.
     
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  21. norbs

    norbs Alien

    Nice work Wally.
     
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