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Generic Devs, please rewrite the game pad code the right way!

Discussion in 'Console Lounge' started by Monkey-CH, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. Monkey-CH

    Monkey-CH Rookie

    The game pad support of this game is absolutly bad actually. AC does the same error as any other PC simulation, where they try to simulate the steering wheel 1:1 on a game pad. This can, does and will never work on a gamepad. Serioulsy the game pad steering shoud be reprogrammed and be completly separatly form the steering wheel code.

    Forza or GT have perfect game pad support out of the box and there is no settings or such thing needed to get a good handling with a game pad. Both do a very good job here. Play this games to understand what we console game pad players want to see in AC too.

    Every PC Simualtion who tries to simulate the wheel steering on a pad has failed as now AC too. The proof that a simulation can be played very well with a game pad is Forza and GT, so take a look at them!

    AC is no fun actually to be played with game pad! :(
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2016
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  3. Kubr0

    Kubr0 Racer

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  4. Monkey-CH

    Monkey-CH Rookie

    No it has nothing directly to do with your link. The game pad code can't work well if it tries to silmulate a steering wheel and all other PC Games which try to do the same, have this problems. Console only racing games as Forza and GT have very good game pad steering, but all PC games are failing here. So what does Forza and GT different? They use special steereing code for playing with gamepad and don't try to simulate a steereing wheel.

    The fact, that the visual steering wheel behaves strange in cockpit view isn't what I mean. I fully agree with your other post, but this is a different issue.

    TXC_IJOJOI Racer

    FORZA and GT put horrible filtering above the inputs to make it as easy as possible for "everyone" to enjoy.
    These filters allow you to even go full lock - no lock - full lock and make a corner smoothly, but this is not GT, not FORZA.
    This would be CHEATING, but that's not the goal here.

    AC, like pCars (I assume you mean that with "other PC Simulation") don't use that kind of filtering to allow you full control.
    You have to learn this new form of inputs ofcourse, but once you've mastered it, it's way more precise than the other system.
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  6. Kubr0

    Kubr0 Racer

    played more then 400 hours on a xbox 1 gamepad on PC, no need to explain, I know whats up ...
    ears1991 likes this.
  7. Keisuke

    Keisuke Gamer

    Forza is actually bad on a gamepad, no matter what you do theres always deadzones in the controller, I think the only thing AC needs to do is allow you to reduce the rotation to like 360 or 270 for controller.
  8. Ben Lee

    Ben Lee Alien

    I think its about steering linearity when at speed, so that the faster you go, the less sensitive the pad should be to inputs, or rather the steering ratio should be dynamic, so that as you gain speed, the steering ratio becomes reduced. As a former pad gamer on PC I think I understand what the guy is on about.
  9. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    I cannot agree at all with your thread. The gamepad implementation in Assetto Corsa is to me one of the very best I've ever experienced, on a similar level to titles like GTR2 and so on. Meanwhile I've had major difficulties setting up ProjectCARS for example, the gamepad implementation there is an absolute mess in my mind.

    Since this is posted in the console lounge I presume you play on one of the consoles, but I've seen that the settings to adjust steering are pretty much the exact same there (in the console options under Advanced). All I can do is recommend you to take a look at these settings: speed sensitivity ~80%, steering speed 100%, gamma 2.0, filter ~ 0.8, deadzone of course according to your controller (maybe 0.10) - then spend some time with it. Assuming you know how to drive (racing line, entry speeds, etc.) and once you know the car and track this might be more natural to you. Of course everyone has different preferences, but it's worth a try. Really can't follow your criticism though.
  10. gregack

    gregack Racer

    Forza or GT have perfect game pad support out of the box and there is no settings or such thing needed to get a good handling with a game pad. Both do a very good job here. Play this games to understand what we console game pad players want to see in AC too.

    But Forza doesn't have good wheel-support.;)

    AC with controller will always be a compromise because: IT. IS. A. SIM.
    Sorry if you are disappointed but that's how it is.
  11. aphidgod

    aphidgod Alien

    I've been playing AC with a pad since 1.0 release day. It works just fine. Absolutely, perfectly fine.
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  12. Gabrien

    Gabrien Rookie

    There is no problem at all with the controller code in AC. In fact, it's the most flexible and malleable I have encountered. You can have the steering feel like Forza if you want to, or anything else you might prefer, *if you know what you are doing*. And therein lies the rub: the problem is that the game does literally nothing to explain these settings to the player. If one tenth of effort spent on the driving model was afforded to presentation, accessibility, and technical soundness, this really would be something special.
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  13. hman

    hman Gamer

    I play on pc, and the game pad support in this game is actually really good. While not for everyone, I personally love the default steering settings. It is responsive enough for me to make quick adjustments, and smooth enough to keep the car stable while turning. Here is a video of me driving.
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  14. BearNVa

    BearNVa Gamer

    is that with Gamepad? I haven't gotten my game yet but I'm hoping it handles and drives like that with a controller
  15. hman

    hman Gamer

    Its with a xbox controller. Don't expect to be as smooth as I am in that video because it took a lot of time and practice to get to that point. Expect something more like this after a few days.
  16. Minkyrich

    Minkyrich Rookie

    All of these controller settings are for Xbox one game pad on the pc, does anyone have a decent setup for the console because options are different .
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  17. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    The settings are the same as far as I can see, the exact same five settings for steering are present on PC too. Lack of button binding with pre-defined layouts instead seems to be the only difference.
  18. Minkyrich

    Minkyrich Rookie

    From the other posts ive seen the values are different, for example the gamma on Xbox one goes from 100% to 400 % but on pc its in tenths ie 0.8 etc so I can't use them. Also the trigger is super sensitive, you only have to move it slightly and its wheelspin tastic, doesn't seem to be very linear.
  19. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    On PC (in-game, without any file editing) speed sensitivity goes from 0-100%, steering speed 1-100%, Gamma 1.0-4.0 (equalling 100-400%), Filter 0.1-1.0, deadzone 0-0.45, rumble intensity from 0-100%. That appear to be the exact same settings as on console, with slightly different names and in different order.
  20. Monkey-CH

    Monkey-CH Rookie

    Why are the PC gamers posting into this thread at all? :mad: PLEASE STAY AWAY, IF YOU ARE A PC GAMER!!!!! You are no help here!

    We are talking about console gampad steereing (specially for XB One) and here is something right wrong actually and it is NOT the same as on the PC. On the ONE it behaves totaly different than the PC version of the game and also differently to the PS4 Verison.

    Also the setting can get corrupted someway and after that the gampad is overs sesible and not anymore playable. If this happens, there is no way to correct that with changing the values at all. I have a solution found for me, but this seems not to work for everyone. After I did a reset of the steering mode to wheel and back to pad, it's now again much better working than before I have done this. This switch of the controller mode does reset the pad settings and has solved the issue for me more or less. I will now never ever again touch the settings there until it is fixed.

    Somting is seriously broken here on the pad settings on the ONE (and the PS4?) and the Devs should look into it.
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2016
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  21. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

    Get your attitude in check.
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