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Driving Technique Discussion

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by Karsten Beoulve, Nov 26, 2019.

  1. Gevatter

    Gevatter Alien

    Depending on how fluid you are in English, I'd also like to recommend Aris' ACC videos here: https://www.youtube.com/user/Aristotelis321/videos

    I'm also still a few seconds off pace myself but could improve somewhat since ACC was released. What helped me was sticking to a car I like to drive (as others have said) and also sticking to a track at least as long as you're motivated to still run it. Maybe watch track guides or hotlaps for the track you're practising on Youtube to see what the ideal lines are, or use the ideal line in game to learn a track. A fast line is everything.
     
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  2. C#27

    C#27 Rookie

    Just another option I'd like to add. I can really recommend the book "Driving on the Edge: The Art and Science of Race Driving" by Michael Krumm.
    It may seem a little old fashioned with all the information available on the internet. But I find it quite difficult to find something that summarizes the topic as well as this book. I gained a lot of time but more importantly consistency with the help of it. So if you're willing to spend a little money this may be a good option as well.
     
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  3. Chris 576

    Chris 576 Hardcore Simmer

    Gents (and Ladies),

    I'm after either a few tips (or hardware set up info) so as I can brake harder and later.

    I'm fine in most parts of the game but for some reason I seem to have little 'feel' on the brakes, thus making it so as I have to start braking way before a corner, everything feels sort of soft.

    I have a decent wheel and pedal combo but I just have no idea which way to go and playing online I feel I am both impeding others with early braking but also losing a couple of seconds a lap.

    Help....
     
  4. LATE4APEX

    LATE4APEX Alien

    That would be nice, but I don't know how that feedback can be accomplished without a motion seat.

    Except for maybe more ABS chatter feedback in the wheel.

    I personally work on getting the best braking points established, and be consistent there, obviously takes some experimentation.
     
  5. dave967

    dave967 Racer

    You have to set markers for your braking points and hit them every time. its ok to lift slightly while your braking to perfect your corner entry speed.
     
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  6. bgil66

    bgil66 Alien

    Just Watch Aris.Drives(ACC Developer) vids on YT, it's Gold!
     
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  7. It's sometimes forgotten as it feels natural after a while. But in simracing you brake exactly the opposite way compared to your daily driver. You slam on the pedal and release it near the end to stabilize the car for the corner.
    Thanks to the aero platform GT3's are you don't dive down, so you don't experience actually how hard you're braking which is a psychological effect really.
     
  8. martcerv

    martcerv Alien

    The key with someone that can brake later then others is the feel at turn in. Obviously mashing the brake 100% as late as possible and to the apex with ABS on isnt going to give the best braking performance. Otherwise everyone would be the same but clearly some are better then others.

    If you can feel the braking fairly well, keep the car balanced and use as little ABS as you can manage also tune the setup amd brake bias to improve this. Then you will be able to brake deeper to the apex and be in more control at the apex allowing higher apex speeds, also braking deeper allows you to brake later.

    The basic approach of 100% braking approach in a straight line is far from optimal and so you need to brake earlier to achieve this. If you try to trail brake and have little feel for the cars balance then you will likely miss the apex and also have less front end grip so need to be slower at the apex. If you use more ABS it will also decrease stopping distance so theres quite a bit to it.
     
  9. sps_for_race

    sps_for_race Hardcore Simmer

    ...fov, maybe?
     
  10. Turk

    Turk Alien

    I think part of the skill in braking is how you come off the brakes. Good drivers can balance turn in with coming off the brakes to maximise their braking and using it to help them rotate around the corner. It's a hard skill because messing up your entry to the corner ruins your exit which is more important to get right. What you'll gain by maximising your entry isn't worth what you'll lose on the other side of the corner if you mess it up.

    Braking is one of the areas of sim racing that really suffers from the lack of G-forces. So you have to rely pretty much entirely on markers as a reference.
     
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  11. Spenceryin85527

    Spenceryin85527 Simracer

    What pedal are you using ? A load cell pedal make a huge difference in accuracy and muscle memory .
     
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  12. manu68

    manu68 Rookie

    I am like you not a fast driver.
    3" slower as the best laptime is nothing but normal in my opinion.
    The guys are more talented, they practise more, and they often use pretty special setups.
    Currently, I just aim to stay constant as possible, make my way to the traffic, and Always finish the racde. My goal is about midfield starting generally from the back.
    My pace in hotlap/superpole event is about 45 to 60.
    But my rating pace hotstint is currently 83 in the last zandvoort event. It means more for me as the pure hotlap. (but of course it is very rwarding to be quick)

    The only problem is that on some track, if you start from behind it may be a big disadvantage.

    Remember, it may be a sim, but except for some of us, it remains a game ;)
     
  13. Dobermann92

    Dobermann92 Gamer

    Consistency is more important than being fast. I accepted the fact that I cannot compete with the top 10%, but my average finishes are 6-10th place in sim games because others spin out and ragequit.
     
  14. Seelenkrank

    Seelenkrank Racer

    yes but when you are 7,5 secs away from the top 3 on a server then you are consistant slow and will gain nothing (it happen to me yesterday and its more than frustrating...)
    in AC i was 3-4 seconds behind in GT3 this was ok but here... :/
     
  15. Dobermann92

    Dobermann92 Gamer

    It depends how much free time you have. I only have like 2-3 hours per day which isn't enough for practising that much and I like to play other games too. If you want to commit yourself to competent racing you need much more practise.
     
  16. Seelenkrank

    Seelenkrank Racer

    same here.
    its a hobby,im not a race driver earning money with this.
    hard part for me is the "be a race engineer" on the side of beeing a driver.
    there are so many setup guides (good,bad,ugly) and videos that go deep in the setup stuff and there is not enough time between work/eat/sleep and other stuff to do...
     
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  17. Chris 576

    Chris 576 Hardcore Simmer

    They're Thrustmaster T3PA with a brake stop
     
  18. pankykapus

    pankykapus KS Dev Team Staff Member KS Dev Team

    Threads with similar topics merged, please continue discussing driving technique and tips to being faster here.
     
  19. MABR

    MABR Gamer

    First of all I would choose a car that I can drive well. And not choose what seems to be the fastest in online races. I wouldn't change anything in the setup at the beginning either. Sometime later I would start with tire pressure changes. I have now e.g. 922 ACC hours, :D about 400 hours Huracan and then only Porsche. That's the nice thing about ACC, you first learn "your" car and then you get faster. Unless you are an Alien. They start with getting faster. In hotlap mode you learn the car and race against the AI. And I would set the AI difficulty to your level. So you can fight with the AI and not just drive by or follow it. In online races you can also skip a qualification and start from the back. That way you don't hinder anyone and you can "watch" the others from behind how they drive. I would leave the FFB on standard and only change the overall strength. If it's set too weak, I think you feel too little "weight" from the car and if it's set too strong, you can't absorb the "weight" from the car. Later you can raise the overall strength slightly, the more you feel. To learn the ideal line, you can fade it in. But I would not stubbornly try to hit it exactly, it comes by itself. And I wouldn't fade it in too long, for example, it bothers me more than it helps. The best way to learn is to follow others. Then you can start gaining time by braking. Sounds strange, but that's how it is. In simple terms, brake hard, release the brake slowly and roll around the bend and hit the gas as soon as possible without turning. What I also did wrong in the beginning, to turn the steering wheel too far. If you think you have to turn it even further, you've been going too fast and you're just sliding straight ahead... The view out of the car and the FOV is also a thing with a single monitor. The "real" FOV doesn't make me go faster or slower. But I just don't see enough and the sense of speed is totally missing. Somewhere in the middle between real FOV and "racing game view" and choose Dashcam. It bothers me when I see 2 steering wheels. :D . Also play with movement and lock to horizon. I have movement 20 and lock to horizon 40, because otherwise my eyes hurt in Silverstone or I fall out of the car. :D I just realized where my 922 hours of ACC came from... Find your settings that you can drive with and then you can get faster. And only then do you start with setup changes. So, this is all written with translator :D I am also from Germany. I hope you can understand what I am trying to write.
     
  20. Burnleyhome

    Burnleyhome Gamer

    Something else in Aris' vid was the tyre grip vs turning circle. This was sooo simple and I think of this so much when I'm driving.
    Basically you have finite amount of grip, so the bigger the radius, the faster you can go.
    His simple demonstration showed that even using 1/2 car width on entry and exist is a dramatically increased turning circle radius, so faster cornering speed. This is the same as if you miss the apex due to too being too fast. You need to slow dramatically to be able to turn the car and get the correct exit.

    I have a simple question about downshifting. How much does it matter in helping the car regards to braking?
    What I mean is if I'm braking from 6th to 2nd gear, do I downshift every 500ms, or wait 1000ms and then downshift every 100ms (times used as an example).
    I try to see the difference, but I can usually attribute any lower apex speed into inconsistency in braking distance.
     
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