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Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by 69deep420me, May 31, 2018.

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  1. 69deep420me

    69deep420me Rookie

    Hi guys,
    I saw your interview and remember Stefano saying that linux is probably not gonna come.
    Because you have no support guys and no one of you uses it.
    I know it can be very hard, e.g. my G27 wont work the same as on windows because driver stuff.

    But if it is possible for you just to release an experimental, even unsupported, version of ACC because of UE4
    there would maybe form a small group of linux users which help themselfes. Thats how i always works with linux ;)

    And it would help me ditch windows (10) which doesn't stop to annoy me with its windowsy problems.

    Ciao,
    Kilian
     
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  3. Skybird

    Skybird Alien

    Nuke Windows. Push Linux. Microsoft's policies are an impertinence, their patch quality an effrontery, their words an expression of contempt of customers, their dubious ways are now sheer malice.

    Let them dissappear from the market. However, I am not sure that Linux will be the natural successor, it has too many compatability problems and lacking driver support. Google is, I fear, ahead of Apple, Microsoft, Linux.

    Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
     
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  4. Flavus

    Flavus Gamer

    Correct me if I am wrong but Google does embrace and understand the power of Linux so why worry Skybird? I switched to Linux in 2000 and the only reason I now have windows on my PC is Assetto Corsa....Damn you Kunos:p
    The server I run now and then is of course Linux and it just works perfectly :)
     
  5. 69deep420me

    69deep420me Rookie

    I only run Windows for 2 or 3 games, too.
    But still the last 3 updates broke my machine everytime.
    Linux compatibility got really good for AMD Cards with AMDs new driver which ist already in the kernel iirc.
    UE4 has support for Linux, this is not the (big) problem.
    The unknown part, is Kunos Custom Code, which maybe depends on Windows only libraries or something similar. And nobody at Kunos uses Linux for their Desktop :(
     
  6. Rudski

    Rudski Alien

    As they said, they don't have the support nor use the systems themselves. They are still getting their heads around the unreal engine so much so there isn't officially mod support. because of the time restrictions and the learning curve required with the engine I doubt you'll see a Linux version.
     
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  7. Berniyh

    Berniyh Alien

    No it won't work and releasing something that is half-***-supported or completely unsupported is just a very bad idea and will create bad publicity.
    Apart from that they are still a very small development team and have a lot of work on their todo list, so even if it were up there, it would surely be ranked with very low priority.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm running Linux on my main desktop since over ten years and really like and support open source, but we have to be realistic here.
    ACC is a big project for Kunos with quite tight deadlines (because they have to get it out this year) and given that they need to integrate a new graphics engine, I'm pretty sure they're at their personal limit already.
    If asking anything, we could ask them to at least try to keep in mind that at some point they might want to go beyond Windows.
    But then, I'm sure that even that is already on their mind since they already ported AC to PS4, which has different APIs than Windows.

    FFB btw isn't really a big deal on Linux. You can get that working.
     
  8. 69deep420me

    69deep420me Rookie

    This. Couldnt have said it any better. Thank you!
     
  9. Skybird

    Skybird Alien

    The problem with Linux is the boycott of many hardware producers for Linux, refusing to make drivers for it, Microsoft talked many companies into an anti-Linux alliance long time ago already. Thats why you have compoanies that principally refuse to make Linux drivers. Canon is one such exmaples, if you want scanners or oprinters with Linux support by factory, you are limited to HP, Brother, Epson. All other names are a gamble by you, you might be lucky to find an open source driver, and if not - well, you have been warned, dude, sorry. You depend on third party drivers for such devices (which are VERY many), and then often only get limited or broken functionality in return even if you are lucky and find an open source driver for your lets say printer or scanner. With exotic hardware like game controllers (wsheels, pedlas, HOTAS), its even worse.Well, I tell all this by own experience. Linux is nice for itself - but its hardware support options do not compare to that of Windows. Many pains I got from that direction.

    There are reasons why Linux since over 20 years cannot reach more than - varying - 1 to 1.8% of private household users. The one reason is Microsoft's very successful propaganda campaign that made people believe there can be no computer life without Windows - at least until Android broke loose (which is a Linux derivate...), which was helped that MS once again messed up its hardware devlopment and terribly failed with its mobiles ambitions. The other reason is the huge functional deficits of Linux' support ecosystem. In regard to this, Windows stepdances on Linux' nose any time.

    And think of this. Linux is not untouchable, it is not safe " by design". It is safer, still, becasue it is under much lesser attack than Wndows and Android. If Linux would spread more, it would become more attractive for malware coders to programm attacks for it. And then it would suffer the fate of Android and Google Playstore, which also once were said to be absolutely safe. They are not anymore. Seen this way, it is a blessing that Linux is not attractive for many people.

    Linus Torvaldsen btw shares my scepticism about growing attractiveness of Linux in private household environments. He said last year at some opportunity that he cannot imagine Linux becoming popular ever, and that it probably always will remain to be a choice for a more skillfull, specially focussed elite of users and coders. Not the ordinary private person/household.
     
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  10. 69deep420me

    69deep420me Rookie

    LINUX Is User Friendly It's Just Very Picky About Who Its Friends Are :p
    Its right and wrong.
    Its good that its not that popular.
    But many people would still like to have the Same possibilities on linux as on windows. But it only makes sense for a manufacturer in Special cases to go for Linux Support.
    But no support means less users. Less users means less Support. Endless circle
     
  11. Berniyh

    Berniyh Alien

    Actually no, that's usually not a big deal these days. When I started to run Linux on my main desktop a long time ago (around 2005-2006), it was a big deal and you really had to watch out for hardware that would work.
    These days, you still have to be a bit careful (e.g. with printers), but it's not that big of a deal anymore. Since it was back then, I'm used to check for Linux support before buying stuff, but in most cases I was able to find out quite quickly that it would work.
    Not saying that you can't still run into problems, but if you're willing to invest a bit of research time before buying you can avoid almost all of them easily.

    In case you're an AMD user (like I am), you even get decent open source drivers for the graphics card.
    It has taken quite a while (I still remember when they introduced the first open source 3D driver support back in 2007), but these days the open source drivers give you good performance (I'd say normally about at least 90% of the Windows performance unless there is a regression, sometimes they even give you better performance than on Windows, but it's dependent on the game) and very good stability.
    There are a few things missing (like Freesync and OpenCL), but they are working on that (hopefully it'll be there next year) and after all, there is still the closed source driver which supports it all.
    They did indeed, but that eased off during the last 5 years as well and actually Microsoft these days does do some development for Linux as well (mostly with focus on servers, though).

    Anyway, there isn't really anything like "Anti-Linux" going on in most of the companies, but yeah some companies do choose not to support operating systems other than Windows (and maybe OS X), which is of course their choice (and in case of a small company like Kunos is totally understandable).
    However, given that most devices these days are actually Linux-based (Android) and not Windows-based, things have eased off on that front as well.
    Of course, doing stuff for Android is not quite the same as doing things for a proper Linux system, but at least the focus usually isn't 100% on Windows anymore which helped a lot in the last 5-10 years.
     
  12. Raklödder

    Raklödder Racer

    It just isn't worth wasting precious time and resources on trying to port the game to Linux. Only a small fraction of gamers (>0.5% according to Steam) use it for gaming and even they're struggling.
     
  13. chakko

    chakko Alien

    Correct. IMO, it rather makes sense to support Mac OS, before supporting Linux. At least, on Mac OS, some of the sim hardware is well supported.
     
  14. leillo1975

    leillo1975 Rookie

    I prefer a official version but obviously, a experimental/unsoported version of ACC for Linux/SteamOS is better than nothing. There are a lot of games in the same situation (like ARMA3 , for example) and Linux users also buy it. If devs release a experimental/unsoported build of this game, of couse I will buy it and send feedback to improve it
     
  15. Epistolarius

    Epistolarius Alien

  16. Andrew_WOT

    Andrew_WOT Alien

    How is the peripherals support? Are there drivers for all major brand wheels, pedals, shifters, etc. What about OSW and AF?
     
  17. leillo1975

    leillo1975 Rookie

    It's a very, very, very good new. Obviously is better a native port. This is good for the original Assetto Corsa (don't work with the new steam play), but, as Valve says, with Vulkan all would be more easy
     
  18. leillo1975

    leillo1975 Rookie

  19. Lord Kunos

    Lord Kunos His master's voice. Staff Member KS Dev Team

    actually it's just yet another signal that the entire linux for gaming thing is a colossal fail.. but hey, dream on.
     
  20. leillo1975

    leillo1975 Rookie

    Your first AC game don't work, but I tried rFactor 2, Automobilista, Project Cars and other non racing games and they works. Perhaps you must take a look on this, it's your opportunity to sell a few more copies to the Linux/SteamOS guys.

    I think that the problem is .net, another games that needs this libraries also have the same problem.
     
  21. Turk

    Turk Alien

    They'd maybe sell a few extra copies , probably not enough to justify the cost of making and supporting a linux version.

    Linux will never have the support of the general public because it's a pain in the hole to use. I've tried it a few times and it's just not user friendly. People use more tech these days not because people understand tech better these days, it's because the tech understands people more. Everything is idiot proof these days, linux has no place in that market.
     
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