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Great community video summary of the Ratings TR,CN,CC,PC

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by Minolin, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    I'm very grateful that the community again delivers - my appreciation for this explanation of the first ratings by @Serta Farenz




    Aaand the 2nd part is live, covering SA and RC
    (and some embarassing talk in the end you can just skip)



    Thanks Serta - and discuss!
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2018
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  3. Cote Dazur

    Cote Dazur Alien

    Thank you, great video.
     
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  4. Gunja

    Gunja Alien

    Very helpful. Thanks for the effort Serta.
    I predict many views and "oh that's what it is" moments from viewers.
     
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  5. Serta Farenz

    Serta Farenz Gamer

    Thanks for the kind words, peeps.

    Yeah - it's not difficult to understand. But when you're in front of it and nobody has explained it to you, you at first feel overwhelmed. That's why I tried to absorb what @Minolin was explaining, and hoped to make it easier to understand to the YouTube family of SimRacers out there.

    Seems I was quite successful. Also thanks to Minolin who explained to me a couple of things I had gotten wrong.
     
  6. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    Aaaand the 2nd part is live (in the front post)!
     
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  7. mms

    mms Alien

    I was wondering, in the second video is mentioned that in order to unlock SA you need to have PC50, could that be a difficult limit to overcome for newcomers? @Minolin
     
  8. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    Maybe, we need to observe this for sure. It's intended that it looks like you need to be in the top 50% (which excludes 50% by nature), but in fact it is way more permissive:
    Any best, valid lap (or hotstint approache) goes to the leaderboards. That means that a certain amout of entries aren't even serious.
    Then your rank is only the best of 3, which again raises the amount of drivers that go past PC. Deep investigations are pending, will bring numbers as soon as I have them.

    But yeah, obivously PC is meant to be some trial, but not really a problem if you care enough.
     
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  9. Skybird

    Skybird Alien

    Good system idea. The one thing i do not like, however, is to be forced to drive the challenges to unlock beyond I think the fourth rating. My interest for these challenges I can name with mathematical precision: it is exactly zero point zero zero, and it was like that in assetto corsa (1) as well, and so i did not drive even a single challenge in AC1 at all: I just did not care, and I still do not care, not one bit. That means that drivers like me will not unlock the fifth and sixth rating, and that renders the whole system pretty useless for us then. I woud keep the ratings focussed to driving action in practice, qulaification and race duzring formal race weekends, ma yit be single race or season, and leave hotlapping and free practicing out of it, so that players can also choose to just go out cruising and wreaking havoc on the AI in private SP without getting effected by rating changes, if that is what they want. How a pro driver drives during an event on track and under his contract , and drives in private, are two differtent things as well, in the end.

    As a side effect, useful or not, it would also mimic the fact that in real life you may do practice in pirvate time to improve, but for assessment of your skill and driving in the sports business and pro world, only your stuff done during official events and in formal sessions would be counted. You do not train in the championship race of the season you train before the season and its sessions - in order to make it to the championship race.
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2018
  10. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    Coming back to
    At the moment you need to beat one of the following to get a PC 50:

    #004: 01:38.721 (Hotlap, Bentley@Misano) + 5.7s
    #005: 10 laps | 16:49.848 (Hotstint, Bentley@Misano) + 2 laps
    #006: 02:04.584 (Superpole, Huracan@Nürburgring) + 6.9s

    At least the hotlap looks quite easy, for 11 laps you only need the consistency to do the laps without spins or penalties.
    But ya, 6 and 7 seconds off world record pace (for a rank in the middle) are a bit surprising and require adjustments. Sadly this means we lose the very simple meaning of the PC rating, but I don't see how we get away without some kind of gamma function applied.

    That means you will refuse to do at least one hotlap in a leaderboard, instead of just considering it as a necessary trial?
    I do understand that you are simply not interested in the events (but they don't really compare to AC1, at least not the ones for the PC rating, and I really suggest to have a look at the Hotstint at least). But ignoring the good stuff for not doing a one-time action because it's not as interesting seems a bit extreme to me.

    Looking at the numbers above - one Hotlap below 1:38.721 and your problem is solved for a lifetime.
    (well except we reset the ratings during the EA process ofc)
     
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  11. mms

    mms Alien

    Yeah, that would be sad, wondering if there could be a different way to unlock SA instead of the rating being higher than 50...let's say your PC rating stabilizing (stops improving).
     
  12. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    Ya, open to any kind of idea here.. There is a problem to be solved.
    However the current approach is made to be in line with how all of the ratings work, and wanted to be the most intuitive and easy solution that serves the purpose. The ratings are complex enough already, so we shouldn't make things even harder to understand.

    My guts (without thinking about it too much) feels like we may need secondary ways to get to the 50 PC (like a little bonus for participation), while the whole character remains as is.
    If somebody has a good idea, just open a thread about it in the Rating section.


    Edit: but looking at the bright side: Our levels of competition are *insane* according to those numbers. 5272 people within 5.7s, this is just wow.
     
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  13. Skybird

    Skybird Alien

    Obviously a quesiton of subjective taste. Me, this idea of needing to have participated in online trials to unlock the other ratings while maybe I only care for SP races, has left me behind already. I have this design focus on online activity already in Raceroom - and I ignore it completely, or better, since I do not make an active decision but simply stick to my taste and preference: I do not care for it. I drive SP 99% of the time. I also hated for exmaple the old driving schools in older Gran Turismo games.

    I hope that content of the full game or options availability of any kind in the single player mode of the season will not depend on these ratings being completed. If any form of "unlocking" feature is linked to these ratings, then I absolutely would not like that.

    In the end, the ratings only are useful for online players anyway. Players who are not interested in online at all (which are not few players), have no further need for these ratings. So maybe just switch off the window in the top right corner. At least as long as specific details in the seaosn modus for single players do not get affected by them, like I already said above.

    Or do AI drivers get influenced in any way by player ratings? Or season details in SP mode?
     
  14. [QUOTE = "Skybird, post: 1005954, member: 3712"]
    ......So maybe just switch off the window in the top right corner [/ CITAZIONE]

    Exactly and run happy ....
     

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