I can't keep up with myself

Gevatter · Dec 9, 2019

MrBungle said: ↑

Yes I am, wouldn't that be the case irl?
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Yes, but the AI most likely doesn't, that's the point. Do the AI post approximatley the same lap times in qualy and in race sessions? If so, you are faster in qualy than in the race because your car is lighter than you opponents.

Coanda · Dec 9, 2019

MrBungle said: ↑

It does surprise me that most people are more than happy with a work around, on here it's almost like a work around is a fix.
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I suggest you create an issue thread in the ACC physics forum and present as much timings info as you can.

MrBungle · Dec 9, 2019

Gevatter said: ↑

Yes, but the AI most likely doesn't, that's the point. Do the AI post approximatley the same lap times in qualy and in race sessions? If so, you are faster in qualy than in the race because your car is lighter than you opponents.
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Again, I do get that a heavier car is slower, another example of someone perfectly happy with a work around.

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MrBungle · Dec 9, 2019

Doc3d said: ↑

I’m having the same kind of issues, not specifically at Barcelona but in general, if I try to set the pace for where I aim to qualify, the race pace is totally different.. so if I for example set the AI so I can place 1st if I get a really good lap, the AI will completely smoke me in the race, not like challenge me, but run 1-2 seconds faster, so there is no way I can keep up.
The only solution seems to be to dumb down the AI significantly, but that sort of defeats the purpose of qualifying, and makes it really hard to find the right level for the AI, so I agree with the OP that there seem to be a mismatch in the Q vs R behavior of the AI and this really breaks the immersion
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This, a million times, when someone gets you! I think I love you.

Prepare for, did you dewax your ears because the AI's ears are always fully dewaxed and you should always be dewaxing before the race.

I do appreciate the help, but honestly I know a heavier car is slower, that conditions affect the race but I stated that conditions were consistent between events, i absolutely love the game but don't have much time to play anymore so when I get a couple of hours to myself it's just disheartening to be messing around trying to set up the simulation. Perhaps that's why others are happier to just accept that your going to have to fudge it to work.

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Aristotelis · Dec 9, 2019

@Mr.Mugel has it almost correct.

The problem is that you're not racing in a "realistic" way. I'm not saying that you're cheating the AI, simply that you don't know how you should do it.
Here's what you can do, to enjoy ACC far more than usually.
- Create sprint or endurance races (or a championship), with limited tyre set activated.
- Create proper practice and qualifying sessions. Don't do just 1 qualifying session, enable possibly all of the practice and qual session, or at least half of them, put some decent duration too, at least for the qual sessions.
- Enter each session and act a real driver/team. Examples:
-- Practice 1. Put a fresh tyre set 1, fill up the tank, try to understand your car for the start of the race. Create your race setup. Use only 1 tyre set.
-- Practice 2. Use the same tyre set 1 of practice 1. Continue race setup with full load. At this point, when you're good with your race setup, you can also try the fuel test value to take off your fuel load and try the car at the end of a race stint (when the car is ligher, it will also sit higher in its suspensions resulting in different aero. If you have time, you could also try a qual setup but don't change tyre set.
-- Qual1. Fresh tyres set 2 in. Try your race setup with low fuel. Attention! Your fuel must be enough for the whole qual session! Depending where the fuel tank is, you can do a click or 2 on the ride height. i.e. if you have a rear fuel tank, maybe you will need a bit more downforce at the rear now that the rear is light. Lower rear ride height by 1 click. And vice versa. Go out, and run the full qualifying length without entering back to the pits after 1 flying lap. Try to understand what single clicks you could do for qual 2.
-- Qual 2. Same as above, fresh tyre set 3 in. Again, out lap, full running trying to manage car and tyres for the full qualifying session. No flyinglap with 5litres of fuel and back in, no setup changes. Try to understand what single clicks you could do for qual 3.
-- Qual 3. Same as above, fresh tyre set 3 in. Final qualifying so give everything you got but again, fuel for the whole session, no single flying laps setup changes.
- Race day. Select one of your qualifying tyre sets, or if you've left with one fresh set, use that.

This is what AI do, this is what real teams do, this is what you should do. Trust me, do this once (you can also save your game and come back to it another day). The level of immersivity and satisfaction, by working this way, is simply completely different and above any simple "flying lap qual, in for a quicky race" kind of experience. You're in for the thrills of simulation, do it properly, thank me later

MrBungle · Dec 9, 2019

Aristotelis said: ↑

@Mr.Mugel has it almost correct.

The problem is that you're not racing in a "realistic" way. I'm not saying that you're cheating the AI, simply that you don't know how you should do it.
Here's what you can do, to enjoy ACC far more than usually.
- Create sprint or endurance races (or a championship), with limited tyre set activated.
- Create proper practice and qualifying sessions. Don't do just 1 qualifying session, enable possibly all of the practice and qual session, or at least half of them, put some decent duration too, at least for the qual sessions.
- Enter each session and act a real driver/team. Examples:
-- Practice 1. Put a fresh tyre set 1, fill up the tank, try to understand your car for the start of the race. Create your race setup. Use only 1 tyre set.
-- Practice 2. Use the same tyre set 1 of practice 1. Continue race setup with full load. At this point, when you're good with your race setup, you can also try the fuel test value to take off your fuel load and try the car at the end of a race stint (when the car is ligher, it will also sit higher in its suspensions resulting in different aero. If you have time, you could also try a qual setup but don't change tyre set.
-- Qual1. Fresh tyres set 2 in. Try your race setup with low fuel. Attention! Your fuel must be enough for the whole qual session! Depending where the fuel tank is, you can do a click or 2 on the ride height. i.e. if you have a rear fuel tank, maybe you will need a bit more downforce at the rear now that the rear is light. Lower rear ride height by 1 click. And vice versa. Go out, and run the full qualifying length without entering back to the pits after 1 flying lap. Try to understand what single clicks you could do for qual 2.
-- Qual 2. Same as above, fresh tyre set 3 in. Again, out lap, full running trying to manage car and tyres for the full qualifying session. No flyinglap with 5litres of fuel and back in, no setup changes. Try to understand what single clicks you could do for qual 3.
-- Qual 3. Same as above, fresh tyre set 3 in. Final qualifying so give everything you got but again, fuel for the whole session, no single flying laps setup changes.
- Race day. Select one of your qualifying tyre sets, or if you've left with one fresh set, use that.

This is what AI do, this is what real teams do, this is what you should do. Trust me, do this once (you can also save your game and come back to it another day). The level of immersivity and satisfaction, by working this way, is simply completely different and above any simple "flying lap qual, in for a quicky race" kind of experience. You're in for the thrills of simulation, do it properly, thank me later
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Thanks I'm going to do this, I really appreciate you taking the time to tell me where I'm going wrong.

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Gevatter · Dec 9, 2019

MrBungle said: ↑

Thanks I'm going to do this, I really appreciate you taking the time to tell me where I'm going wrong.
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So suddenly it's not a workaround anymore?

MrBungle · Dec 9, 2019

No, he explained that in the final Q session they are running with higher fuel loads, as well as running multiple Q sessions, I'm going to try it as Aris said you see I was running low fuel loads in 1 Q session with a hotlap then a pit, Aris explained that is not the way its done IRL so yeaa. If I run the session and it still seems botched I'll begin to moan again but until I do it correctly I should probably shut up.

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Piret2000 · Dec 9, 2019

Aristotelis said: ↑

@Mr.Mugel has it almost correct.

The problem is that you're not racing in a "realistic" way. I'm not saying that you're cheating the AI, simply that you don't know how you should do it.
Here's what you can do, to enjoy ACC far more than usually.
- Create sprint or endurance races (or a championship), with limited tyre set activated.
- Create proper practice and qualifying sessions. Don't do just 1 qualifying session, enable possibly all of the practice and qual session, or at least half of them, put some decent duration too, at least for the qual sessions.
- Enter each session and act a real driver/team. Examples:
-- Practice 1. Put a fresh tyre set 1, fill up the tank, try to understand your car for the start of the race. Create your race setup. Use only 1 tyre set.
-- Practice 2. Use the same tyre set 1 of practice 1. Continue race setup with full load. At this point, when you're good with your race setup, you can also try the fuel test value to take off your fuel load and try the car at the end of a race stint (when the car is ligher, it will also sit higher in its suspensions resulting in different aero. If you have time, you could also try a qual setup but don't change tyre set.
-- Qual1. Fresh tyres set 2 in. Try your race setup with low fuel. Attention! Your fuel must be enough for the whole qual session! Depending where the fuel tank is, you can do a click or 2 on the ride height. i.e. if you have a rear fuel tank, maybe you will need a bit more downforce at the rear now that the rear is light. Lower rear ride height by 1 click. And vice versa. Go out, and run the full qualifying length without entering back to the pits after 1 flying lap. Try to understand what single clicks you could do for qual 2.
-- Qual 2. Same as above, fresh tyre set 3 in. Again, out lap, full running trying to manage car and tyres for the full qualifying session. No flyinglap with 5litres of fuel and back in, no setup changes. Try to understand what single clicks you could do for qual 3.
-- Qual 3. Same as above, fresh tyre set 3 in. Final qualifying so give everything you got but again, fuel for the whole session, no single flying laps setup changes.
- Race day. Select one of your qualifying tyre sets, or if you've left with one fresh set, use that.

This is what AI do, this is what real teams do, this is what you should do. Trust me, do this once (you can also save your game and come back to it another day). The level of immersivity and satisfaction, by working this way, is simply completely different and above any simple "flying lap qual, in for a quicky race" kind of experience. You're in for the thrills of simulation, do it properly, thank me later
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In a 24 h race session, in theory there is no limit tyre set, so can I put a fresh tire every session?

Aristotelis · Dec 9, 2019

Yes if you put limited tyre sets, the sets available, vary depending on the race you're trying to do.

Coanda · Dec 9, 2019

Aristotelis said: ↑

The problem is that you're not racing in a "realistic" way.
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Aris I understand the point you are making. This statement also holds true for the Ai. I have shown enough evidence since EA (v0.72) to show the qualification times for P1 and timing gaps for P1-P10 and P10-P20 have a range of issues and for most tracks as they do not align with real life Blancpain times. Out of 60 timing checks across all 2108/2019 tracks 32% is between 0.5 to 1.0 seconds difference to real life, 22% between 1.0 to 2.0 seconds difference to real life and 13% greater than 2.0 seconds difference to real life. For example how are we supposed to accurately race against the Ai when in Silverstone, Hungary and P.R. they are qualifying over 2 seconds slower than the real life times..

And then there is the 911.2 issue whereby S.Muller claimed 10/10 poles for all 2019 tracks.

Is the Ai balancing being worked on and if so roughly when can we see this implemented..?

More test/results info here:- https://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/...al-2018-2019-qualy-results-new-results.60767/

Aristotelis · Dec 9, 2019

The AI is always worked on. If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing now, wouldn't we?

Coanda · Dec 9, 2019

Aristotelis said: ↑

The AI is always worked on.
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Excellent. Happy days..

Eckhart von Glan · Dec 10, 2019

I never quali but always start from 2/3 down the field. Quickly enough I find a group of AI I can have some fun battles with, so your problem never came up with me so far. What you describe seems to be a real bug because people start using workarounds, surest sign it is a bug.

Si. · Dec 11, 2019

@Aristotelis information such as this on how to run a race weekend is really appreciated and useful as it can add a lot to the enjoyment and immersion. I think you should add this to the blog posts.

I’ve only just started the SP 2019 Championship for the first time and I’m thoroughly enjoying it, I’ve been running all sessions (only Monza so far) but I think I’ll extend the times a bit more and follow your advice.

** actually this blog post has similar useful info https://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/...pitstop-strategy-and-fuel-load-testing.57824/

trutya · Dec 11, 2019

Aristotelis said: ↑

@Mr.Mugel has it almost correct.

The problem is that you're not racing in a "realistic" way. I'm not saying that you're cheating the AI, simply that you don't know how you should do it.
Here's what you can do, to enjoy ACC far more than usually.
- Create sprint or endurance races (or a championship), with limited tyre set activated.
- Create proper practice and qualifying sessions. Don't do just 1 qualifying session, enable possibly all of the practice and qual session, or at least half of them, put some decent duration too, at least for the qual sessions.
- Enter each session and act a real driver/team. Examples:
-- Practice 1. Put a fresh tyre set 1, fill up the tank, try to understand your car for the start of the race. Create your race setup. Use only 1 tyre set.
-- Practice 2. Use the same tyre set 1 of practice 1. Continue race setup with full load. At this point, when you're good with your race setup, you can also try the fuel test value to take off your fuel load and try the car at the end of a race stint (when the car is ligher, it will also sit higher in its suspensions resulting in different aero. If you have time, you could also try a qual setup but don't change tyre set.
-- Qual1. Fresh tyres set 2 in. Try your race setup with low fuel. Attention! Your fuel must be enough for the whole qual session! Depending where the fuel tank is, you can do a click or 2 on the ride height. i.e. if you have a rear fuel tank, maybe you will need a bit more downforce at the rear now that the rear is light. Lower rear ride height by 1 click. And vice versa. Go out, and run the full qualifying length without entering back to the pits after 1 flying lap. Try to understand what single clicks you could do for qual 2.
-- Qual 2. Same as above, fresh tyre set 3 in. Again, out lap, full running trying to manage car and tyres for the full qualifying session. No flyinglap with 5litres of fuel and back in, no setup changes. Try to understand what single clicks you could do for qual 3.
-- Qual 3. Same as above, fresh tyre set 3 in. Final qualifying so give everything you got but again, fuel for the whole session, no single flying laps setup changes.
- Race day. Select one of your qualifying tyre sets, or if you've left with one fresh set, use that.

This is what AI do, this is what real teams do, this is what you should do. Trust me, do this once (you can also save your game and come back to it another day). The level of immersivity and satisfaction, by working this way, is simply completely different and above any simple "flying lap qual, in for a quicky race" kind of experience. You're in for the thrills of simulation, do it properly, thank me later
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if AI does this, then i don't understand why are they so fast, especially at FP2, and why are they so slow in qualy session (theoretically on fresh tyres)
i always doing what you wrote, except for that i use also fresh set of tyre for FP2 usually (at least trying it at the end).
AI also uses used/fresh tyres mixed in the race of a limited amount of tyres sets?

if so, that's great, but i always had the feeling they have fresh sets all the time.

right now i'm cheating during the qualy, like i was using the slowest mapping for one of the rounds (enduro race) to get lower in the field.
i start usually with 75l on Q1, 50l on Q2 and 25l on Q3 but i also change it if one of the rounds need more or less fuel, total amount is always 75l.
but it's so frustrating that i start from the front and in the race AI is killing me.
starting from second half of the field and fight my way up is so much more satisfying

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