Is setup so important?

Hi guys, i love ac but i’m suck at setting up cars, so i just go with default setup (with no traction control), but I can’t deny i have troubles online, especially during qualifying.. i’m definitely slower, even though i do my best, my times are higher and I always start after 10th and this compromises my race.. so i have a one million dollars question: can i be competitive online even with default setup? If you say so, i’m gonna focus on improving myself, if you say that’s not enough, I’m gonna focus on the 3 parameters that make the difference: tyres, gears ratio and wings.. i’m not gonna even try to deal with camber, toe, sway bar, because i spent days to fix a ****ing understeering mid corner reading thousands guides and watching videos, but i just get my car worse, so i gave up on it.
I’m playing on ps4, so i have no add-on for tyres pressure, well I really hope that you’re gonna say I don’t need any setup.. waiting your answers, thank you all in advance

 

short answer: No. I bet most people online use pretty much default setup.
I would definitely spend the time on track instead of in the garage.

Of course it depends on the car and track. On Monza you surely want to lower the wings (if possible). In street cars you usually want to lower tire pressure and maximize camber, that's an easy gain of 0.5 sec.

Be assured, the fast guys will beat 90% of the people even if they use the default setup. On track skill is MUCH more a factor than setup. Of course, the more you get to the top of the board the more the setup will make a difference.

 

So even using default gear ratio?

 

You should adopt the gear ratio IMO on tracks where it is necessary. If you hit the limiter but the longest straight isn't over yet you suffer a big disadvantage.

When I race online I just change tyre pressure (when needed; in the older street cars from Kunos you have to decrease the tyre pressure by a lot e.g. the BMW M4) and gear ratio (when needed). If I know the track very well I also adjust wings, camber and ride height from time to time.
When I realize, though, that I can be competetive (i.e. not being the slowest car on the track ;-) ) without changing the setup I don't change anything (because I want to have fun and a decent racing experience).

And yes: It's better to know or learn the track than spending ages with searching for the perfect setup - unless you want to set a new record, of course.
Sometimes I watch how the fastest guys on a server drive and learn "new lines". That can help to gain a few tenths of a second (or even more).

For the rest I totally agree with what @Thomas Gocke wrote.

Wish you a lot of fun online!

 

Ok then, i agree to set gear ratio up because it’s track dependent, maybe tyres pressure too but on ps4 i have no app to get right pressure, and i noticed that using the softest compound I‘ve never got hot tyres.

 

I saw app for pressures on consoles. And they are probably the most important setup option to keep track on.

 

App for pressure on console? Please tell me about

 

I mean when i visited a friend with console he had pressures shown live while driving, no idea where do you turn it on.

 

I have the game’s hud but it doesn’t give you the right pressure..

 

Aaa that sucks, no idea if ideal pressures are available somewhere on consoles but all car's pressures are mentioned here and in general all gt2/3 run ~26 PSI pressure and dtm cars run 29.

 

Ok, and road cars? And is it normal that I always use softest compound on gt3 and i get blue temperatures?

 

Pressure on road cars will change with weight and tyre width... but for semis it usually is around 30-34. Lighter, more track oriented cars go closer (or even less) to 30 , family saloons use 34+.
And no blue for gt3 is not great bu it depends, if it is a rear engined porsche (or some of the mclarens) it's quite difficult to keep front tyres hot and they will get blue no matter what. Light or even medium blue is not the end of the world, still plenty of grip to do good laptimes. If your pressures are at 26 live don't worry about temperature, everybody is in the same boat.

 

Ok thanks, so about 26 psi on gt3/gt2, about 29 on lmp, about 30-34 on road cars. Ok got it. So pressure ok, gear ratio ok, now about wings, should i start from default and get lower as long as don’t oversteer, or start from the lowest value and get high?

 

On most tracks you want max front downforce and as little as you can get away with on the rear. Tracks with long straights and slow corners (monza) will benefit from stiffer front sway-bar that will allow for even less rear wing. On the other hand fast corner tracks (mugello) will benefit from softer front sway and as much rear downforce as needed to be stable.

Also you mentioned mid corner grip earlier, if the car has good balance otherwise, try lowering coast differential, move brake balance rearwards and keep the car on the brakes deeper into the turn. I think tyres, gears, rear wing, front-sway, rear coast diff and brake balance are enough to get within 0.5 of a world record in most cases.

 

We seem to have very similar views on car setup Nao.
I need the front to work, or I am not able to "race"

Really enjoy trail breaking into corners with rear brake bias and the diff coast setting lower, then feel the car rotate while turning in, and quickly dumping the throttle when I encounter understeer mid corner, especially with cold tires.

 

To realize that he got the optimal tire pressure list for all the cars a long time ago & being trolled on Racedepartment.

It's all setup & exploit, little do with skill.

 

Once and for all either prove this or go away, if what you say is true then we can pick any combo for you and you will set a record time. If you cant then your "exploits" and lack of skill theory is complete BS.

You say everyone faster then you is using exploits, you also say it takes no skill. You claim to know said exploits and made some ridiculous guide yet are unable to be very fast. If you post any time in any combo there will be hundreds of people here glad to tear your amazing lap time to shreds to show how wrong you are.

 

It's a metaphor.

There's a large gap that is very easy to get with very simple advice, the rest come with practice. Like the AI isn't that hard, but there are tons of player struggling against them. Me, I give the tips to shorter that gap that allow to beat the AI easy. If you're so afraid to get owned, there's a lot of room for improvement.

The tips are so vague, often wrong(example a premium source driver61), misleading that most only practice just wrong & get nowhere, because it's not strictly based for a simulator.

If you stop complaining & just give a straight honest answer like @Nao does. It would make sense.

I repost again the very same list: https://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/optimal-tire-pressure-and-temperature.44697/

 

If its little to do with skill then practice is pointless as all it does is improve skill levels. Not sure how its a metaphore its just contradictory bs to reality and your own bs.

No idea why you think its important to keep saying that unless you can actually prove it like I asked. If you cant prove it then maybe stop spreading this disinfo.

Setup is not going to be worth more then 2 seconds on most combos and I dont know what exploits your speaking of. If someone is well off pace 5 to 10 seconds then surely practice, basic driving line and reference points to build skill is most important.

Again look back to the original quote and surely you can see what bs it is and how it contradicts your next post.

 

If you have the incorrect tire pressure along having incorrect alignment. Yep, it does do more than 2 sec. It's more like 4 to 10sec a lap easy, if you use driver61 trail braking method .

Tire pressure is part of the setup, because you mess with the setup screen.​