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Monza hates me

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by warth0g, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. warth0g

    warth0g Simracer

    i know it’s one of the mainstays of simracing, but I just don’t understand the love for Monza. It’s lots of straights and a couple of chicanes and I find it impossible to get into an enjoyable flow with it. Basically, I suck at Monza, which wants to kill and humiliate me at every turn.

    I’ve tried almost every car there. I managed a high 1:51 there with the Lambo but can’t do it consistently. Low 52s in the bmw which I’m more comfortable with so will stick with it.

    I know these are laughably slow times, but I just have no idea how to improve. I think I’m losing time particularly in the lesmos and maybe on that last chicane that leads onto the parabolica.

    Given the scarcity of tracks in ACC, I can’t just ignore Monza, so if anyone has any advice to help me lose some time here I’d be grateful!
     
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  3. mike reynolds

    mike reynolds Hardcore Simmer

    That’s the beauty of Monza, easy to learn, difficult to master. Not many corners but nailing them is key, focus on exit speed to improve your times so slow in and fast out...
     
  4. Arpadian

    Arpadian Racer

    exactly this, at first glance monza looks easy peasy but is not, the chicanes and the variante ascari are hard to do right and fast, you can kill your fast times pretty easily
    took me a few days to be able to do 1.48.167 ( my pb ) my average time floats around 1.48.800 to 1.49.XXX on the lambo, and the lambo is a ***** on the kervs
     
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  5. mikendrix

    mikendrix Simracer

    Maybe watch some videos of one of the Blancpain pilots : Romain Monti

    He plays ACC on Monza on this one :
     
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  6. iVG

    iVG Alien

    Here's my 1:48 capable set for the BMW that you might find helpful.
     

    Attached Files:

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  7. warth0g

    warth0g Simracer

    Thanks, I am probably carrying too much speed into that last chicane in particular so probably killing my exit somewhat.

    Thank you, I’ll try that!
     
  8. Changing setup will most likely not improve your time. The aggressive setup is all you need to go fast, I did a 1:47.0 with aggressive setup lambo and with most of the other cars I also got them well into the 1:47s just on aggressive. To get these times, it requires a VERY precise lap and I often screw up trying to pull a time like this. A few things I found while learning monza is:

    In every chicane, you must try get the fastest exit possible. Do not run too deep on entry, make sure you can pull back enough to give you a good line on exit. I found after getting a better line through the second chicane, I was gaining 3-4 tenths. You want to narrowly avoid bouncing on the sausage kerbs.

    Coming into the first lesmo make sure you arent slowing down too much, brake a bit and turn into the corner trusting the car, dont accelerate too early but you can afford to run right over the exit kerbing.

    Lesmo 2 for me is one of the most painful corners ever lol. You cant afford to get on the grass on exit or it'll mess your lap up a lot. You want to brake just before the 50m board and narrowly avoid the inside kerbing. You can use the kerbing a bit but it might make your car unstable on exit. Use as much exit kerbing as you need without going on the grass.

    Coming into Ascari, you can cut the first kerbing on the left a lot which should give you a good line to the exit. You might want to shift up early halfway through ascari so you can fully accelerate without worrying about the rear getting away from you. Dont use much kerbing or any kerbing when you are turning right in ascari and then on exit you should be able to use a little bit of the left kerbing for a better line. You should be foot flat through the exit of ascari.

    The parabolica is kind of straight forward but you want to carry a decent amount of speed into the corner, keep near to the apex, gradually accelerate and get your foot down as soon as you know you wont run wide off the track limits.

    Like said before, easy to learn but hard to master.
     
  9. iVG

    iVG Alien

    Maybe aggressive is good for you but as the title suggests - it is very aggressive in most cars. For someone who is struggling to brake the 1:52s, I wouldn't recommend it. I personally wouldn't use it for a longer race... That's why I suggested mine which I consider to be half way between safe and aggressive and still returns better lap times.
     
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  10. ▣ HiTzz

    ▣ HiTzz Gamer

    Im definitely not very good but hiting brake points and trail braking into chicanes is the key going below 52's. My personal best is 49:5 with pretty much default aggressive setup using bmw m6.
     
  11. DzelRacing

    DzelRacing Racer

    My personnal best is "1:49:815", very hard for me too.
    I would like at least to win 1 sec : )
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2019
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  12. Si.

    Si. Simracer

    @warth0g I’d suggest using the standard setup with the Lambo, I set TC to 4, ABS to 2 and Brake Bias to 58, I find this gives me a very stable car which is good under braking.

    I then set CC to the active rating and used the information from that to understand which corners I was good at and which need most improvement (i.e. “quite slow”). Doing this I have gone from 1:51s to consistent 1:49s. CC really does help you improve and the whole rating system is one of my favourite things in ACC. In terms of multi-player I can still get good results as being consistent is just as important as being fast, one trip into the gravel can on average ruin several fast laps quite easily.
     
  13. warth0g

    warth0g Simracer

    Well thanks all. I've run a few laps this morning and I've got fairly reliably into the high 1:51s. even getting as low as 1:51.45 - which was a miracle lap. How the hell you guys shave another 3 or 4 seconds off that is something I'll never understand! But I'd be so happy if I could just get into the 1:50s consistently, that's the benchmark I want to set for myself. I think if i got down to those sorts of times then I would at least be able to run OKish in multiplayer races. I might also try and beat the AI at 90%, that's probably the first objective.

    I just love this sim, only ACC could have got me to start to appreciate Monza, just phenomenal. I'm literally dreaming about it at night, and checking the forums first thing in the morning. Needless to say, my wife doesn't share my passion for it :-(
     
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  14. warth0g

    warth0g Simracer

    Yes, the lambo would be my second choice. I am a bit quicker but I feel more confident in the BMW. i will try your suggested setup changes in it though and see if that feels better, thank you. Switching focus to CC is also a good call, I do find that very helpful (nice job @Minolin the ratings system is perhaps ACC's biggest innovation!)
     
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  15. Adastros

    Adastros Racer

    you should link your video ;)
     
  16. Ok I can agree with that but even the safe setup is good enough for around 1:47- 1:48 times. It's important to learn to drive the car properly and then make fine adjustments after. The lambo is probably one of the most unstable cars on aggressive. Change setups to your needs but don't go overboard because the default setups are good enough at the end of the day.
     
  17. I dont have a full video of the lambo lap, some of it is in this video:

    I have a full video of a 1:47.2 I did in the 2018 Nissan. (Skip to 0:35 for the lap) Hope it helps in some way:
     
  18. iVG

    iVG Alien

    Most definitely true. Stock sets are good enough and even the safe ones are good enough for well under 1:50 on Monza. Dunno, maybe a different perspective would help him go quicker I thought...
     
  19. martcerv

    martcerv Alien

    Id say if your around 1:52 then setups not your issue as its quite possible to go under 1:48 with the defaults. Just use a setup your comfortable with and can keep in control.

    Monza is a great track because it really shows the importance of fast clean exits. Mess up any apex you can lose .5 or more by the next brake point.

    My best tip is to not chase time on entry until you maximise your potential with all exits. Key is to hit apexes and get on power as clean and soon as possible this is where you will find the 4 seconds from 1:52 to 1:48 to go under that you will need to find the last few tenths on entry.

    The probpem most people a bit off pace have is they try to push the braking limits when this is where the most risk and smallest gains are.

    Braking 5 meters later and naiking a corner is a tiny gain less then .05 but be half a meter wide of the apex you will lose 1 second. So there is no point risking 1 second time loss to gain .05 until you have no more time to gain on exits. ;)
     
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  20. R1-Limited

    R1-Limited Racer

    Slow down to go faster.
     
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  21. chksix

    chksix Simracer

    T1 costs massive amounts of time. I'm trying to find my best way through that chicane.
     

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