Playing on my keyboard...

...how much am i losing in terms of possible lap times, versus playing with wheel and pedals, in percentage?

 

im guessing a good amount

 

Dunno about laptimes but you are losing a hell of a percentage of realism. Honestly if you can get a wheel it is so worth it.

 

depends how good you are adapted to your keyboard. One loses 10 seconds per lap, some other loses 20. You are losing a lot of time though

 

Considering that turning with buttons is pretty ridiculous, you'll end up losing like 10 seconds a lap, since keyboard isn't really the best in AC, if you're using a mouse to steer, you can definetly pull out the same lap times as people with a wheel+pedals.
I can definetly keep up with the faster people, some of the fastest I'm usually half a second to second and a half slower, cornering speeds are a bit different because you can't be on the throttle constantly with a keyboard(same with braking), but its doable.

 

indeed, with mouse it's definitely not a disadvantage anymore to wheel users.

 

If lap times is all that you care about then i guess there are people out there who go super fast with keyb/gamepad/mouse+keyb. For me its about immersion and fun. The FFB feeling in this sim is amazing, even on a DFGT. But % is of course hard to determine since it comes down to how good each indivdual is.

 

well thank you all for the quick answers! i guess ill be saving up for a wheel, while i decide which one to get. Racing with a mouse seems like something i would never consider to do lol.

 

How can you drive the 98t/exos without traction control with a mouse ? You can't control the accelerator position accurately.

 

who said you have to drive without traction control? just because someone is using traction control doesn't make them a bad driver.

At first when I used a mouse instead of keys to turn, I thought too, well this is stinky, I don't think this is gonna work and its weird, it took me a few hours to get a hang of in GTR2 and now with AC physics, I've almost mastered using the mouse, most of the times I can keep the laptimes pretty much the same between 0,1-0,7 seconds and they're not slow either, just spent like 2 hours driving at Imola with atleast 20 other people and spent the entire time in top 2.

 

IMHO, mouse is the best thing if you don't have a wheel. Yes, no control over throttle and brake, but very detailed control over steering. Still.. get a wheel!

 

Get a good secondhand Logitech G25, best bang for buck at the moment, fantastic wheel.

 

Don't even bother...

 

Why would someone even try to play it with keyboards anyway? Its not Accolade's 1985 Test Drive game, though I suppose that back then it was already possible to play with a joystick.

 

Not everyone can afford a steering wheel that would actually work properly and last for years. So if you decide to talk trash about people using keyboard, why are you still losing to them?

 

Steering wheel is expensive, but a gamepad? that's like 50$ expense.

 

Steering wheel`s expensive?

I think they are still cheap considering the price of decent hardware, and when I say decent I don't mean lavish like Nvidia`s O/P Titans

but of course I see your point, you got to take into account of disposable income and what not.

My first wheel was around £25, no force feedback, 180 dor,

Later on I upgraded and got a DFGT for £80 from argos a few years back, now I think there £130ish.
even if its £130, that`s like 5 games @ £26 a pop.

Just means some people will have to be more selective in what they buy,
and not go down the route of shiny new shiny gotta have it day 1.

It`s ok for people to use whatever they like, I doubt AC or any "driving sim" is there cup of tea,
because you're not simulating a driving experience.

Maybe games like Grid/burnout/need for speed are for the casual`s users using xbox controllers / keyboards.

Anyhoo wazzup, you will be loosing a lot of time not to mention the feel of the game.

Maybe magicfr, could write you a bit of code for GlovePie/FreePie/PPjoy to use the mouse as a controller.
should be better in terms of digital Vs Analog input.

 

This happened to LFS and some other sims where you can find world records done with keyboard+mouse.
I haven't seen a top laptime in rsr done with a keyboard or a gamepad yet.

I agree that the minimum equipment for an immersive enough experience includes a nice wheel with ffb, pedals and a shifter.

 

Here you go, #1 not with a keyboard, but with a X360
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=4&car=9

 

I won't be getting a Logitech or any Fanatec wheels until I get a new PC and to be honest, I'm completely fine with playing on keyboard and using a mouse to steer, the only downside I have is the FPS.