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PS4 Please address the AI issue

Discussion in 'Bug reports' started by Larryf1951, Dec 3, 2016.

  1. Larryf1951

    Larryf1951 Hardcore Simmer

    OK, I am most likely in the minority on this issue. I understand that, since most AC players focus on hotlaps or online racing, it doesn't even matter. But, the AI in the career mode and special events is unrealistic. They are reckless. When two cars make contact, both drivers will react, in real life. In the game, the AI drivers just accelerate through the collision. I got completely spun on track in a race and ended up facing traffic. The AI drivers rammed me and kept pushing me backwards. That is insane!
    I tried to reverse and correct, but was continually bashed and pushed by the AI.
    I had hoped that this would be addressed in v 1.09, but that did not happen. I truly enjoy the game and have been impressed with the level of realism it offers. That enjoyment is tarnished when the in-game competition is worse than the online jackasses.
    Please take this as what it is intended to be: constructive criticism from a fan.
     
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  3. Kroegtijger

    Kroegtijger Racer

    Got some bad news for you: I won't be fixed in 1.10 either ;)
     
  4. Larryf1951

    Larryf1951 Hardcore Simmer

    First, I'll ask why you seem to be amused by my frustration with the game?
    Second, I'll ask why you think that your input has any merit?
    Finally. I'll ask why not correct one more glaring bug in this otherwise beautiful concept? What's the point in having AI if its gonna just create havoc?
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2016
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  5. McGregor

    McGregor Gamer

    Whoa, I don't think he was trying to offend you. What he's saying is that the PC version, which is already on 1.10, has yet to address the issue. I doubt Kunos is completely content with the current state of the AI but it isn't as simple as a "bug fix".
     
  6. Chazz Ranger

    Chazz Ranger Alien

    AI has been a WIP since AC began, and has been constantly improving/correcting. Most people don't get that the more complex a sim is, the harder it is to code AI. People rave about the AI in racing games (note I said "games") and wonder why "If Forza can have good AI, why can't AC??" AC is a much more complex, and sometimes fixing one aspect of AI ends up borking something else. Kunos ARE constantly working on making AI better, along with the rest of the sim, but they are a small independent team, they can't fix everything in a fortnight. Noobs constantly bust onto the forum freaking out about the AI like they've discovered something wrong with AC that nobody else knew and be all like "KUNOS WHY YOU NO FIX?"

    Patience, Grasshoppers.
     
  7. Sohail_16

    Sohail_16 Gamer

    I have to say though it's much better than 1.03, inhav
    agreed 100 %. Plus 1.09s ai is much much better than 1.03.
     
  8. Donnced2

    Donnced2 Alien

    Well,what really is needed in the career mode are penalties and track limits, because there aren't a single one of them.

    About AI,the behaviour has quite improved in 1.09 and now when accidentally you hit them,they lose the control of their car,before the patch they were like glued on track.
    Now you see make them also some mistakes o they crash.

    The only bad thing about the AI is that the difficulties levels are very inconsistent, even more in the career mode..
    There are races that in Hard you win them relatively easy.. and in other races it's difficult to win them in easy.

    Once they achieve to fix this i would say that the AI renders at a high level.
     
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  9. Larryf1951

    Larryf1951 Hardcore Simmer

    Alright, points have been made, some valid some not.
    I will attempt to address them in order of importance.
    Let's begin with my unequivocal statement that the size of the team is no longer an acceptable excuse. This game (yes, it is a game) came with no labeling that asked for my patience due to the small development team, nor was there a "small development team discount" attached. So, one X on the board.
    Next, we can address difficulty. It may be hard to generate code that results in realistic AI. I get that. That's why I am not trying to code my own game at home. I buy games, assuming that they are ready for market. This one was not and still is not after two patches. I never asked for the AI to be like For a (which for the record, I have never played) or Gran Turismo. I simply asked that the AI react to collision. Should be simple: if car (A) impacts car (B), car (A) decelerates momentarily.
    And to the lesser point, AI has improved slightly since v1.09. Slightly. I did notice a difference in how they are "affected" by collisions. Now, we need them to "react" differently to collisions.
    And let me reiterate that I am impressed with what Kunos/505 have done. They have raised the bar for Sims, at least on PS4. But that means that we, the consumer, will expect them to meet the standard they created.
    Don't offer me filet mignon, then tell me you won't serve it on a plate. Right now, we're eating a fine steak straight off the table. It tastes great, but presentation is lacking.
     
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  10. Larryf1951

    Larryf1951 Hardcore Simmer

    I saved this response just for you. I wanted to make it personal, since you decide to step into my thread and be more than a little condescending.
    You are more than likely a PC player. And I use player intentionally, because AC is a game. You do acknowledge this, yes?
    You called me a noob, claiming that I took credit for discovering some new kernel in the game and want a cookie or something. That is not the case. I was playing (note that word again) this evening and got spun multiple times throughout the race and decided to open a thread.
    And, I may be a noob when it comes to AC. I played (ding) it for the first time in August, when it was released on consoles. And I was mildly impressed. It wasn't until after v1.03 that I started to enjoy playing (ding). Look for my thread "Kudos to Kunos".
    I like the game. I also think that it needs some serious tweaking.
    So, I will say this as kindly as I can @Chazz Ranger, take your false sense of self righteousness and stuff it deep.
     
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  11. Chazz Ranger

    Chazz Ranger Alien

    That actually was more kind than many responses I get ;) I do actually agree with some things you say, it's more about your delivery. Anyway, after reading the rest of this thread, it's clear 'you're a talker'. I'll kindly step back out of your thread and we can ignore each other. :)
     
  12. Larryf1951

    Larryf1951 Hardcore Simmer

    If I'm a "talker", its so that I can clarify what was clearly misunderstood. I'd rather have a debate than tuck tail and ignore. But if that's how you roll, Bye felicia
     
  13. praiano

    praiano Rookie

    This is true. AI is very frustrating, raming or bumping you all over the place mostly at Alien level , even when you are muh more engaged on your driving line.
    More stupid than this, after you pass them AI cars refuse to pass you again even if you slow down 20kmh.
    See the video at 3:50`
     
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  14. Mauler_77

    Mauler_77 Racer

    The racing would be so much better if they made the faster AI cars overtake the slower ones more regularly. Be more of a pack up front than one fast car vs the player, as it so often ends up. Not enough moves made by faster AI on their slower brethren, which isn't very realistic.
    Having said that, the AI is in a far better state now than at launch, with spin outs and respecting the player more, and racing is enjoyable (even with huge variations in difficulty), I just want to race in closer packs and having the fastest cars up front is better than them being stuck down the back because they've forgotten how to pass.
     

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