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PS4 Camber information very confused "Raising the value"

Discussion in 'PlayStation 4 Discussions' started by RetSCCA_Racer, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. RetSCCA_Racer

    RetSCCA_Racer Rookie

    The information on the suspension setup screen can be very confusing:
    Quote "Raising the value makes the wheel gain negative camber"
    and "Lowering the value makes the wheel lose negative camber"

    If anything these statements should just be deleted.
    I think the description for camber should be something like the following:
    "More negative camber gives more turn in and lateral grip but less longitudinal grip while braking or accelerating.

    Any camber change from zero raises tire temperatures.

    The closer camber is to zero gives more longitudinal grip while braking or accelerating. It also lowers tire temperatures spreading them more equally."

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  3. ChrisR

    ChrisR Alien

    not exactly..

    statically zero camber means there is as much tyre contact as possible, but in cornering when you are applying high lateral forces the car rolls, this rolling causes the tyre to fold, and in tern lowers the tyres contact patch, but adding negative camber you are allowing the rolling action to roll onto the tyre thus creating a larger contact patch..

    yes in a straight line you are correct, the more neutral camber the better, ignoring dynamic changes.. the more negative or positive the camber the less grip..

    there is a compromise, one which you, as a driver needs to decide on.
  4. Gevatter

    Gevatter Alien

    I agree that the hint text is confusingly written (for me), because raising the value referres to making the number bigger while it logically gets smaller in my mind because its a negative.
    Took me some time to get my head around the fact that its not meant to be a value below zero, but the negative just denotes the direction the tyre leans.
  5. ChrisR

    ChrisR Alien

    If you ignore the number on the left, its just a value.

    Make note of the info on the right.
  6. RetSCCA_Racer

    RetSCCA_Racer Rookie

    Well of course! my problem is with in the description of "Raising the value makes the wheel gain negative camber"
  7. ChrisR

    ChrisR Alien

    the lower the number should = negative.. the higher the negative the more the negative camber

    most negative______________________neutral__________________________most positive
    -1.0 -0.9 -0.8 -0.7 -0.6 -0.5 -0.4 -0.3 -0.2 -0.1 0.0 +0.1 +0.2 +0.3 +0.4 +0.5 +0.6 +0.7 +0.8 +0.9 +1.0

    that's how it should work
  8. RetSCCA_Racer

    RetSCCA_Racer Rookie

    Exactly, and it should say something to that effect in the description.
  9. ChrisR

    ChrisR Alien

    Can you get screenshots?
  10. Servant

    Servant Rookie

    I've noticed this as well, the camber description is indeed very confusing, here's a screenshot (from the PC version) :

    Camber description.jpg

    As you can see it says "Raising the value makes the wheel gain negative camber." and "Lowering the value makes the wheel lose negative camber.", although in practice, raising the value (for example going from -0.8 to -0.7 or from 0.8 to 0.9) makes the wheel lose negative camber, and lowering the value makes the wheel gain negative camber (for example going from -0.8 to -0.9 or from 0.8 to 0.7).

    So the description says the opposite of what is true, if on the screen I posted I were to click on + on "Camber LR" I would change the LR Camber from -0.8 to -0.7, that's not a gain in negative camber, that's getting closer to positive camber.

    Edit : Unfortunately it seems the screenshot has been uploaded in a low resolution, hope you can still see a little.
  11. dawg

    dawg Racer

    Yeah I agree. I started playing with setting up the car, which I haven't done before in other games.
    So, I had to go on what the description said, and found it was indeed a bit confusing! After looking up a visual image of positive and negative camber and toe values, it became more clear to me.

    Haven't got a suggestion, maybe show the changes you make in the image to the right, not only in numbers, but also in a visual way maybe? Would make things a bit easier on the setup rookies like myself. ;)
  12. Andy-R

    Andy-R Alien

    my favourite one is "makes the car more less stable" :p
    gregOr1971 likes this.
  13. Apath

    Apath Rookie

    Please lower the importance of this post already. TYVM

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