SPA GT3 WR with keyboard on RSR.

What do you guys think off this? Should it be possible?

 

I've seen my share of WR's made by keyboard drivers in many racing titles over the years.
As long as keyboard is an option, there will be people that are amazingly competitive with it.

 

I have a wery hard time to think this is a positive thing for such advanced simulation. Control is everything and a keyboard with assist should not be any way near the top times.

 

I don't see the problem.

These sorts of times usually involve a lot of laps with 90% of them being invalid. It takes a lot of dedication but really it's a brute force approach, I'm sure using a pad or even better a wheel would be more fun... If the top ten of the popular combos were filled with pad and keyboard users I'd be a bit concerned, but as is it's a non issue.

I remember a similar thread when Spa with the GT2 Ferrari was topped by a pad user...

 

"Control" is important when the input is imperfect. But as you approach the limit of cars performance and have perfect timing on input, the control speed starts to be important as well. Non wheel users will exploit that with their faster hardware.
It takes a lot of effort to tweak control and car setup to behave exactly as you want and then you need to be precise down to milliseconds, but if you get these things right there can be points where you get more out of the car than a wheel user could.

edit: Also fastest times are made when you find that perfect moment to floor the throttle (or perform other maneuvers), if setup or line is imperfect wheel users can use throttle/steering modulation to get "close enough". While keyboard players have no other choice than to tweak their setup and driving line to be able to hit that spot and "be perfect", so their control method is nourishing their skills better resulting in stuff like WR's.

Rather than being negative, i'm happy that somebody can enjoy the game with keyboard too ...

 

Why shouldn't it be possible? It is a less precise way of controlling a car but if a user is skilled enough to produce the proper inputs required to clock a WR time then why should they be disqualified? At the end of the day they're subject to the same physics engine as we wheel users are.

 

Keyboard FTW!

 

Would you feel any better knowing this car can probably do low-mid 2.16s ? Cause it can. Many WRs on RSR are awfully slow don't take them as a confirmation that keyboard users can get near the limit of the car, I bet they can't in AC.

 

Yeah, WR's don't mean much when they're not exactly built in the game... Only people who bothered to go through the app will show. And not many fast drivers use RSR anymore.

 

I don't really care about RSR world records these days. One lap wonders are just that. One lap. The only laps from other drivers that I am bothered about are the ones in a race.

 

Well Im not much off an GT3 racer but I did try the 650 an found it wery twitchy after the 1.5. It amazes me that anyone could set a low 2.18
with such a clonky inputs as with a FK-ing keyboard. Realy

 

you have to consider the keyboard system adds a layer of "aids" to pedals and steer input.. so those drivers are not really "controlling" much.. they are basically playing a different game and, as other said, you should be happy they can rather than wishing for them to be banned from enjoying something.
I am sure they've put as much dedication and talent into their result than everybody else that reach those levels.

 

Not if you use third party emulation software that makes the game think you are using a wheel.




edit: https://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/mouse-steeting-what-kind-of-assit-have.26693/

 

Tried it out, and I managed to beat the time quite quickly with my T300 freshly arrived back from a RMA-and-repair journey (so I was "primed" on the G27) after figuring out a setup that allowed me to take eau rouge flat out, but not bleed too much time on the straights. However, I effed up the last turn. Had to lock the coast diff really bad, so slow turns were a PITA, unless that's only placebo. I would go even so far as to assume that an alien could easily beat my time by another 1-2 seconds. It's probably just a matter of time until all the drivers have adapted to the tuned physics. Really quick times are certainly going to rain down on us plebs sooner or later. Oh, and what William said. Lots of aliens (like him, who unsolicitedly gave me motivation to "master" the C9 and the GT-R at nords) cba to use RSR anymore. In my opinion, sadly so. Overall, it's racing that makes for true fun, but hotlapping is one of my favourite pastimes, nevermind how fast or slow I am. It's a surefire way to truly learn a track's perks

 

Not taking away the skill and the ability to play the game on different ways. With the layer off assists that comes with other
less precise devices shouldnt that influence the times in a more dramatic way?
Its not a big deal becouse you dont have to compare the times with the other players on other devices
but somehow I have hard to accept that a pad user or a keyboard user should match the wheel users.
I fully would accept that a driver with pedals with loadcell would be faster, or guys with high end wheels than others with
less precise wheels or pedals and leaving pad and keyboard users way after..

 

I get what you are saying, but I think that's where Stefano's point kicks in: Input devices that are a lot less sophisticated have their lack of depth covered by mechanics that smooth everything out in an ideal way, so it is actually HARDER to drive quickly with awesome wheels, but more rewarding, because you have to work more. It's easier to get to the limit of the humanly possible, but only the combination of alien + superiorly detailed input will go beyond it. It's probably a very delicate matter to think of a way to find the point between penalty and normalization that comes with designing the controls that rely on digital input or are more clonky in nature, like a pad. Good wheels are probably the best way to go, but they are A LOT harder to truly master, to extract the magical 100% from.

 

This again? Seriously? I used mouse steering (the method that makes the game think I use a wheel so no assists for me) before I got my G27, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Is your ego hurt because someone is faster than you with an "inferior" and "unrealistic" input method? When I used mouse steering, people didn't know I did until I told them. You basically sound like this to me "This guy set a faster time than me with a keyboard/keyboard & mouse/gamepad, there's no way that should be possible, because I invested into this hobby and have input devices worth hunders and thousands of euros that come close to the real thing, this is unacceptable." . Before I bought AC I played Simraceway (which is dead now afaik) and got really good at it, mouse steering of course. One day I raced against some guy on brands hatch, he was using a keyboard only and was really fast, I only had appreciation for him, the fact that he managed to configure his game in a way that let him be competitive with something so imprecise.


TL;DR

I see nothing wrong with it and you should stop crying

 

Yes, as long as they aren't dominating I see no issue.

1 WR in a combo with relatively few times just shows what can be achieved with some perciverance. These times tend to be with modern race cars also, try driving the Cobra with the keyboard...

 

Even if they're dominating, so what? Just go faster .