v1.0 BoP Discussion

Track : Spa-Francorchamps
Conditions : Hotlap, 12:00, agressive setup, custom fixed weather 27 C
Nissan GT-R (2018) 2:20.01
Mercedes AMG 2:19.64
Nissan GT-R (2015) 2:21.138
AMR Vantage 2:18.37
Audi R8 2:18.40
Porsche 911 GT3R 2:19.05
Bentley Continental (2018) 2:18.15
BMW M6 2:18.90
Jaguar 2:20.06
Lexus RCF 2:18.54
Lamborghini Huracan 2:17.84
Mclaren 650S 2:19.88
Ferrari 488 2:18.13
Acura NSX 2:20.40

All in V1.0

be mindful, with some setup tweaks from agressive the merc is doing 2.18 low already. All other cars can be faster then preset too I suppose

 

@junneh thanks A LOT mate! Spa times looking very interesting as well. Btw very well driven! Have added your times to post #1

 

@Chriss a little update;

Mercedes: 1:35.076
Honda: 1:36.924 (still ****)
Lexus: 1:35.463 (much better with high TC)

 

Zolder, Hotlap mode, 22C fixed, 12;00

Nissan GT-R (2018)
Mercedes AMG 1.29.05
Nissan GT-R (2015)
AMR Vantage 1.29.74
Audi R8 1.28.89
Porsche 911 GT3R 1.29.14
Bentley Continental (2018) 1.29.40
BMW M6 1.29.55
Jaguar 1.29.13
Lexus RCF 1.29.24
Lamborghini Huracan
Mclaren 650S
Ferrari 488
Acura NSX 1.30.34


Audi seems very good on every track so far..

 

Aggressive setup?

 

What about the Gallardo, guys?

 

I have videos for all these laps (excluding the NSX), not uploading them all though. So if you want one I haven't linked just quote me and ask for it!

Optimal conditions, 5PM, default Safe Setup on all cars.
Hungaroring lap times:
Audi R8 LMS - 1:45.657
Ferrari 488 - 1:45.138 (Best I've done in this one was a low 1:43, but hat was during the hotlap event)
Mercedes AMG - 1:46.623
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1:47.274
Acura NSX - 1:47.229 (Have a faster ghost car lap by two tenths but I can't beat it this evening)
Lexus RC F - 1:45.012 (video) ← Actually did this one two days ago.
Jaguar G3 - 1:47.172
V12 Vantage - 1:46.290
Bentley Continental 2018 - 1:46.680
BMW M6 - 1:47.124
Nissan GTR 2018 - 1:46.179 (video) (Really easy car to push in)
McLaren 650S - 1:47.460
Huracan GT3 - 1:45.066

 

It seems that the lambo and ferrari are the fastest cars overall, but it puzzles me why the mercedes is so slow, supposedly it was the car that won the constructors championship, it can't be so uncompetitive.

 

Maybe a bit off-topic, but this is interesting. I went on testing new cars - new for me - on some tracks with up to 30 AI opponents and fixed settings in every free practice session (same weather, same AI levels etc).

15-20 laps for me among AI cars, three tracks and tree cars for me, and the results are:

Me in Mercedes-AMG at Barcelona - 19th
Me in McLaren at Silverstone - 19th
Me in Lexus at Spa-Francorchamps - 19th

How about that?

 

yep... but it's also sometimes pretty unstable at the rear under braking and over curbs, so certainly not the easiest car to drive and to deliver consistent, stable lap times lap after lap. I assumed you used that "Aggressive" standard preset for your Zolder turns as well

 

Man, thanks a lot for adding these times! Included now in the first post. It's quite interesting to see, I think the "Safe" setup has much more variance between the possible lap times you can achieve with this, compared to the "Aggressive" setups. Which seems reasonable to me: Some cars are already very easy to drive with the "Aggressive" setup, so proably not much change was needed to call it a "Safe" setup. Others are very catchy at the rear end with the "Aggressive" setup, probably those were in need of more thorough setup tweaks to make them "Safe"...

Btw could you link your video of the Porsche lap time? Would be interesting to see how it behaves in Hungary with the "Safe" setup.

 

I have a gutfeeling that the Merc isn't slow, it may well be the Aggressive standard setup that is holding it back... at least it has been proven that you can yield 1-2 seconds, depending on track, of lap time improvement by altering it's setup.

 

I found the Mercedes is fastest around Misano but I needed ridiculous amounts of TC to do so. Power delivery management is pretty much non-existant on this car. I reckon that with the proper setup this car is a beast.

 

Btw I just checked the PRO semi-final at Paul Ricard, and here the people used Lambo, Lexus, and BMW mostly. That fits not too bad to our latest findings here with regard to lap times in the standard setups (although BMW is probably used because of straight line speed and torque, not because of best lap times)

 

The Porsche is a handful at this track, need to really trail brake deep into a corner in order not to spin. My driving style typically involves lifting and coasting prior to the apex to help rotate the car, and then getting to the gas early... That's not really possible in the Porsche - You need to brake late to keep weight on the front when you start turning, and when you hit the gas your front will push wide. My driving style best fits front engine cars with a planted rear on exit (such as the GTR and BMW).
I felt I needed (and still do) more practice with the Porsche, so I put a lap in and moved onto something easier.
Here's the lap, it's capable of a mid 1:46 if you have the right driving style.

And regarding the braking technique... The ABS locks up the inside wheel pretty easily in the Porsche, and easing off the brakes while turning in sometimes throws off the balance. So I decided to brake in a straight line towards the apex a few times, turning isn't a problem after that since the car changes direction no problem off the brakes.
It's a matter of controlling weight transfer on the suspension of this car, that's a suspension setup mess I don't want to dive into.

 

Would be really great if the lap times on the 1st post would be arranged in a vertical table from the fastest to slowest, so we don't need to look in line and find that information...
The way it's done right now is very inconvenient imo.

 

I'll consider this suggestion mate, am right now thinking about highlighting the fastest and slowest times per track in green/red

Why I don't like to sort them in order of lap time is 1) the order is different per each track, would look like a mess when you try to quickly find the time for "your favorite car" on each track 2) i don't want it to look like the ultimate, objective ranking of car performance, which it is not. It just gives some hints to current BoP with the standard setups

Any further concrete formatting suggestions are highly welcome

 

That's why for me the Porsche is the most interesting car to drive, but sadly will be the least driven car when it comes to competitive races. ;( It's just totally different from all the rest...which also is different from one another but not as much as the Porsche^^
Really great job from Kunos on making each car very characteristic )

 

1) That could be done by setting every car an it's own color, that way it will be much easier to track it.
2) If ranking of the car performance is not the objective here, then what's the point of doint this tests??

And also I think would be great if after you get the laptimes for all the cars in all the tracks, to do an avarange standings of the cars based by their performance on all of the tracks