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Generic Weekly Hotlap Challenge 171 – Short term or Long term?

Discussion in 'Console Lounge' started by Totall Wrytoff, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. Welcome to the thread for the Weekly Hotlap Challenge 171 - Short term or Long term?
    It is surprise bonus week! There’s a double dose of infectious fun - isolate, immerse and enjoy!
    WHC 171 is a double challenge, because everything is closed and we may have a bit more spare time. It features two cars that we’ve never used in WHC and two low-use tracks. The Abarth 595 SS Step 2 around Brands Indy and the BM Z4 around the full Nordschleife Endurance. Both, for very, very different reasons, are quite surprising! I hope they help to take your mind off things!

    Short Term Challenge
    Car: Abarth 595 SS Step 2
    Track: Brands Hatch Indy Circuit
    Short term:
    First up is the hysterical Abarth 595 SS Step 2 around Brands Hatch Indy - One of the smallest, lightest, lowest-powered cars in the game, to bomb around one of the shortest circuits.
    This is just over a minute’s worth of fun and is going to surprise you. My god, the car is keen to change direction. And that isn’t a compliment on accuracy at the helm.
    Change direction, in this case, means face the other way, usually just as you pass an apex. The wheelbase is so short, you have very little time. In fact, you’ll be amazed at how busy you are around a fairly simple circuit. The first few laps are about trying to get around successfully; then, it becomes a compellingly tricky balance of risk and carried speed. All the while, there’s this buzzing noise in your ears. After a while, you’ll get a bit more confident, which is when you spin it again!
    Paddock, Druids, Graham Hill (my spin favourite) and Clearways are all very easy corners at which to unintentionally, fully rotate the car through 360! Don’t laugh, but Surtees and McLaren can be taken flat, just a quick lift at Clearways and immediately back onto the power as the back end swings you round though Clark. Bzzzzzzzz!

    Laptimewise the fastest, excluding GoodGame’s time, is a 1.03.404 and interestingly @Pretend racer posted a 1.04.040 almost two years ago. I think we’ll improve on those this week!

    Recommended pressure for the Abarth’s Street tyre is 42 psi all round.

    Long Term Challenge
    Car: BMW Z4 E89 35is
    Track: Nordschleife - Endurance
    Long term.
    This challenge is about going for a good long drive to get away from it all! No mad rush.
    The Nordschleife Endurance circuit is 25.4km long. More than 13 laps of Brands Indy. This isn’t a challenge where you’ll be looking for tenths…. Treat it like a rag down your favourite road!

    The circuit is a beast, many WHCers find it a bit too much of a challenge, so we want a car that drives well and doesn’t punish….
    After trying a selection, including the Cayman S and the Z4 Step1, to my surprise, the choice is a no brainer. The Z4 car feels better than the Cayman. Much better. And sounds better too. I’m really surprised, the Z4 is a peach and is going into my top 5 road cars, despite the lack of manual gearbox.

    The exquisite chassis balance turns ham-footed cornering into hero drift. The engine note climbs from sonorous growl to mechanical blare, urging you to push a bit more. In comparison the Step 1 is too rough and noisy, the Cayman S is quiet, a bit detached and frankly, feels dull.
    The Z4, despite being heavier and having less power than the Cayman, feels lighter on its feet and much more up for it.
    The decent thrust and great noise is down to BMWs three litre, turbocharged, inline 6, the N54. I was surprised (again) to find it was turbo’ed. It feels remarkably similar to and I thought it was the S54 from the E46 M3. After you’ve had a go, you won’t be surprised to hear that the N54 has won five straight International Engine of the Year awards and three straight “Ward's 10 Best Engines” awards. It is good.
    Every time I drive around the virtual Nordschleife, I’m amazed. We need to say a huge “thank-you” those responsible!
    His name is Gustav Eichler.
    In 1925 his firm, Eichler Architekturbüro, was commissioned by the General German Automobile Club (ADAC), to deliver a new circuit to showcase German engineering, German motorsports and to rival the Targa Fiorio. What he achieved then is more than gobsmacking. Today it is totally unthinkable.
    Gustav and his crew knocked up 25km of utterly brilliant road in a most astonishing two years.
    TWO YEARS…? Design and build….? Planning approval…? Unreal.
    (Hello Circuit of Wales, are you reading….?)

    So, again, thank-you Gustav! Just as we can’t imagine the speed and quality of your design, engineering and construction, I bet he didn’t imagine how many thousands of people would enjoy it virtually. What a top bloke!

    There’s only one time for this combi on RSR, set by @Sebastian Cron in April 2017 - a 10 mins 8.837 secs

    Recommended tyre pressures for the Z4 are:
    Street - 42 front 43psi rear
    Semislicks - 33 front 34psi rear


    How to take part:
    To enter, select Hotlap, choose the Abarth 595 SS Step 2 and the Brands Hatch Indy Circuit and/ or the BMW Z4 E89 and the Nordschleife Endurance Circuit
    Please setup the session as shown below:
    Mode: Hotlap
    Ambient Temp: 26 Degrees
    Setup: Time of day: Free / Controller: Free / Assists: Free / Stability: Free
    To qualify you must have the ambient temp set to 26 DegC.

    Deadline: Sunday 29th March 2020
    Chequered Flag will drop shortly before 6pm.

    You can run as many laps as you like and update your times as often as you like. It is all about taking part, pushing yourself and enjoying Assetto Corsa. All Platforms are welcome. To submit a time, pause the game and select 'session' from the menu and screenshot this page or take a photo of your screen and post it in this thread - Note all the information from the screen is required including temperature, mode heading and of course the car being used!

    Please use the following format to post your times:
    Event name: Short Term
    or Long Term (just in case it's not obvious from the time shown!)
    Improvement (Required if you have already posted a time)
    Your name (as you would like it to appear on the leaderboard)
    Your time - shown as x.xx.xxx.
    Your platform (PC Xb1 PS4)
    The screen shot showing your time.
    (Optional but in the spirit) Your thoughts or any comment
    Please post video clips and share information in here as well.

    Weekly Hotlap Challenge History
    1. Mugello - Praga R1 Posted by John Gordon 3rd Oct, 2016 (Console Lounge P55)
    2. Imola - Mercedes SLS GT3
    3. Brands Hatch GP - RUF RT12 Posted by GravelTrap 19th Oct 2016 (Console Lounge P54)
    4. Magione - Lotus 2 Eleven
    5. Silverstone International - Abarth 500 Assetto Corse
    6. Zandvoort - Pagani Huayra
    7. Nurburgring GP (GT) - Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI
    8. Spa - BMW M3 GT2
    9. Vallelunga Club - KTM X-Bow R
    10. Barcelona - Moto - Shelby Cobra 427 S/C
    11. Silverstone 1967 - Lotus 72D
    12. Nordschleife - Porsche 911 Carrera S
    13. Black Cat County - Ferrari LaFerrari
    14. Monza Junior 1966 - Alfa Romeo GTA
    15. Redbull Ring GP - Lamborghini Gallardo Sl
    16. Zandvoort - Ford Escort RS1600
    17. Imola - Mazda Rx-7 Spirit R
    18. Brands Hatch GP - Lotus Exige V6 Cup
    19. Monza - Ferrari FXX K
    20. Barcelona - Moto - Ferrari 488 GT3
    21. Mugello - Alfa Romeo Giulietta QV
    22. Silverstone GP - Porsche 911 GT3 Cup 2017
    23. Nurburgring Sprint GT - Toyota AE86 Tuned
    24. Magione - Maserati Levante S
    25. Spa - Lotus 98T
    26. Vallelunga - Classic - Porsche 935/78 "Moby Dick"
    27. Nordschleife Endurance Cup - M235i Racing
    28. Silverstone 1967 - Maserati 250F T2 12C
    29. Red Bull Ring National - BMW 1M (Posted by HavanaB0B, 1st May 2017
    30. Zandvoort - Lotus Evora GX
    31. Barcelona GP - Lotus Exos 125 Stage 1
    32. Brands Hatch Indy - Toyota Supra MKIV Time Attack Posted by by Graveltrap 21st May 2017
    33. Black Cat County Long - Lamborghini Countach
    34. Imola - Mercedes Benz 190E Evo II
    35. Monza - Chevrolet Corvette C7R
    36. Nurburgring Sprint GT - BMW M3 E30
    37. Magione - Mercedes SLS AMG
    38. Spa - Porsche 917/30 Spyder
    39. Silverstone GP - Nissan GT-R Nismo Posted by Hugo Catarino,9th July 2017
    40. RedBull Ring GP - Alfa Romeo 4c
    41. Brands Hatch GP - Audi R8 LMS Ultra
    42. Highlands Long - Ford GT40
    43. Vallelunga - Lotus GTE Carbon
    44. Zandvoort - Porsche 911 Turbo S Posted by Graveltrap 13th Aug 2017
    45. Nordschleife - Ferrari 312T
    46. Mugello - BMW M3 E92
    47. Black Cat County - Short - Ford Mustang 2015
    48. Imola - Maserati MC12 GT1
    49. Silverstone 1967 - Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0
    50. Barcelona Moto - McLaren 570S
    51. Magione - Mazda Miata NA
    52. Spa - Ferrari F40
    53. Vallelunga - Corvette C7 Stingray Posted by Moodyryder 23rd Oct 2017 (Console Lounge p14)
    54. Brands Hatch GP - Tatuus FA01
    55. Highlands - Lotus 3 eleven
    56. Nurburgring GP (GT) - Toyota Celica ST185 4WD Turbo
    57. Monza 1966 Full Course - Ferrari 312/67
    58. Nordschleife - Porsche 962 C Short Tail
    59. Zandvoort- Nissan 370Z Nismo
    60. Silverstone GP - McLaren F1
    61. Vallelunga Classic - Ferrari 250GTO
    62. Imola - Lotus 98T
    63. Highlands Drift - P4/5 Competizione
    64. Mugello - Lamborghini Aventador SV
    65. Spa - Porsche 911R
    66. Black Cat County - Lotus 2-Eleven GT4
    67. Barcelona GP - Ferrari SF70H
    68. Nordschleife Endurance & Highlands - Porsche 917k
    69. Zandvoort - Lotus Exige Scura Posted by Hugo Catarino 25th Feb 2o18 (Console Lounge p7)
    70. RedBull Ring National - Maserati Alfieri
    71. Laguna Seca - Audi Sport quattro S1 E2
    72. Brands Hatch - McLaren P1
    73. Imola - Porsche 911 RSR
    74. Nurburgring GP - Ferrari F2004
    75. Barcelona Moto - Lamborghini Huracan Performante
    76. Silverstone 1967 - Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale
    77. Magione - BMW 1M Stage 3
    78. Highlands Long - Mazda 787b
    79. Black Cat County - Toyota GT86
    80. Spa - Toyota TS040 Hybrid
    81. Vallelunga Classic - Nissan Skyline R34 V-Spec
    82. Mugello - Ferrari 458 GT2
    83. Silverstone International - RUF R12 R AWD
    84. Highlands Long - Audi R18 e-tron quattro 2014
    85. Monza - Pagani Zonda R
    86. Nordschleife - Lotus 3-eleven
    87. Zandvoort - Maserati GranTurismo MC GT4
    88. Redbull Ring GP - Mercedes Sauber C9
    89. Brands Hatch - Lotus 25
    90. Highlands Short - Abarth 595 SS
    91. Nurburgring GP (GT) - Audi TT Cup
    92. Monza 1966 - Road Course - Porsche 908 LH
    93. Vallelunga - BMW M3 E30 Gr.A 92
    94. Laguna Seca - Alfa Romeo Mito QV
    95. Nordschleife - RUF Yellowbird & Ferrari F40
    96. Barcelona GP - BMW Z4 GT3
    97. Highlands Drift - Ferrari 458 Italia
    98. Spa - Lotus Type 49
    99. Zandvoort - Porsche 911 GT1-98
    100. Silverstone - Nissan GT-R GT3;
    100. Brands Hatch - Lotus Exige V6; Vallelunga - free car
    101. Mugello - Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
    102. Silverstone National - Mazda MX5 Cup or Abarth 500 Assetto Corse
    103. Highlands Short – Ford Escort RS1600 Posted by Totall Wrytoff 11th Nov 2018 (Console Lounge p2)
    104. Black Cat Short – Porsche 917/30
    105. Monza 66 Junior Course – Ferrari F40 S3
    106. Magione – Toyota Supra MkIV
    107. Brands Hatch Indy 5 lap - Porsche 911 GT3 RS
    107. Nurburgring Sprint - Porsche 911 GT3 RS
    108. Nordschleife - Abarth 595SS
    108 Laguna Seca 5 lap - McLaren F1 GTR
    109. Brands Hatch - Ferrari FXX K
    110. Highlands – Lamborghini Miura P400 SV
    111. Imola - Scuderia Glickenhaus SCG 003C
    112. Vallelunga Club – Lotus Exos T125
    113. Highlands Drift - Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport
    114. Barcelona Moto - Maserati 250F 6 cylinder
    115. Silverstone GP – Ferrari F138
    116. Laguna Seca – Lotus 72D
    117. Red Bull Ring GP - Ferrari SF15-T
    118. Spa Francorchamps – Maserati Quattroporte GTS
    119. Zandvoort – Toyota AE86
    120. Silverstone National – BMW M3 E92 Step 1
    121. Silverstone 1967 – Ford GT40
    122. Nurburgring GP - Porsche 919 Hybrid 2016
    123. Highlands Drift Circuit – Porsche 718 RS 60 Spyder
    124. Nordschleife Endurance – Porsche 962C Long Tail
    125. Red Bull Ring National - Audi R8 V10 Plus
    126. Imola – Ferrari 330 P4
    127. Monza 1966 Road Course - Pagani Huayra BC
    128. Mugello – Ferrari GTO
    129. Vallelunga – Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
    130. Black Cat County – Shelby Cobra 427S/C
    131. Laguna Seca – Lotus Evora GTC
    132. Brands Hatch GP – McLaren MP4 12C
    133. Highlands Long – Chevrolet Corvette C7R
    134. Monza GP – Lamborghini Gallardo SL S3/ Countach S1
    135. Magione – Mazda MX-5 ND
    136. Nordschleife Endurance Cup – Ferrari F2004
    137. Barcelona Moto – Lotus Exige S Roadster
    138. Monza 1966 Full Course – Porsche 918 Spyder
    139. Spa Francorchamps – Ferrari 812 Superfast
    140. Zandvoort – Mercedes Benz AMG GT3
    141. Silverstone GP – Porsche Cayman GT4
    142. Vallelunga Classic – Tatuus FA10
    143. Brands Hatch GP - Audi Quattro Sport Step 1
    144. Red Bull Ring GP - Ferrari 488 GTB
    145. Nurburgring GP (GT ) – BMW M3 E30 Group A
    146. Imola – Ferrari 458 Italia Step 3
    147. Laguna Seca – KTM X-Bow R
    148. Mugello – Ford GT40
    149. Vallelunga Club – Maserati Levante S (Posted by Graveltrap!)
    150. Nordschleife - Lotus 98T (October 2019 - Posted by Totall Wrytoff)
    150. Nordschleife - Nissan Nismo GT-R
    150. Highlands - Mercedes-Benz C9 1989 LM
    150. Brands Hatch Indy - McLaren P1 GTR (Race event)
    151. Barcelona Moto – Lamborghini Huracan ST
    152. Spa Francorchamps – Shelby Cobra 427 S/C
    153. Brands Hatch GP – Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0
    153. Silverstone ’67 – Mercedes SLS AMG (Race event)
    154. Monza GP - Audi R8 LMS 2016
    155. Nurburgring Sprint - Porsche Panamera Turbo (First thread by F1415182235)
    156. Silverstone International - Mazda RX-7 Tuned
    157. Highlands Short - Ferrari 599XX EVO
    158. Barcelona GP - Porsche 962C Short Tail
    159. Monza 1966 Road Course – McLaren 570S (Posted by Totall Wrytoff)
    159. Imola – BMW M4 Akrapovic
    159. Black Cat County Short – Lotus Type 49
    160. Mugello – BMW M3 E30 Step 1
    161. Spa Francochamps – McLaren 650s GT3
    162. Magione - Ruf CTR Yellowbird
    163. Highlands Drift – Lotus Elise SC Step 1
    164. Silverstone GP - Tatuus FA01
    165. Nurburgring Sprint - Guilietta QVLE (First thread by Pretend racer)
    166. Highlands Long – Ferrari 330P4 and Ford GT40 (Posted by moodyryder)
    167. Zandvoort – Porsche Cayenne Turbo S (Totall Wrytoff)
    168. Black Cat County Long - Porsche 919 Hybrid 2015
    169. Vallelunga Club – Porsche 718 Boxster S
    170. Imola – Ferrari F2004
    171. Brands Hatch Indy - Abarth 595 SS Step 2
    171. Nordschleife Endurance - BMW Z4 E89
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2020
    Stan Getz, 365gt, Lewisxbone and 7 others like this.

  2. LeiF

    LeiF Alien

    I'll go first then :)

    Long Term Challenge


    Short Term Challenge

    Last edited: Mar 21, 2020
  3. Short Term
    Totall Wrytoff
    Room for improvement here.:D

    Long Term
    Totall Wrytoff
    This morning I tested this and it felt easy. Went all the way round, felt like a God.:rolleyes:
    This evening I've had many, many goes. This is the first successful one! :eek:
    Online with @StyleF1re earlier has burnt me out!:D

    Nice work @LeiF , and beautifully formatted!:cool::D
  4. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    Short Term

    Long Term
    Both combos are quite the challenge whether coming from an F1 car or not. The abarth is like walking a tight rope. The z4 I have a very hard time figuring out. My only clean lap was full of oversteer. Trying to figure out how to cooperate with the soft suspension and trying to manage the body roll, keep the car in the stroke of the suspension with the brakes as opposed to blowing through it (subsequently blowing through the turn too) from too abruptly applying brakes. I feel like the Z4 is literally driven with the brakes and I haven't been able to get on the same page with the finesse of the braking that is required for this car to really shine due to the soft unforgiving suspension. What a change up compared to last week! Time to go to work on the Ring...
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2020
  5. I've turned the brakes down to 98% in the BMW.
    They are too grabby otherwise.
  6. Mustang 500

    Mustang 500 Simracer

    Long Term
    Mustang 500
    Haven't had participated in the WHC for a while so it is nice to be at it again. Decided to get started with this one as I don't think I will be able to tame the F1 car in 1 night.
  7. Pretend racer

    Pretend racer Hardcore Simmer

    pretend racer
    long term challenge

    I uploaded a tune I had from the nords and wouldn't you know it, I binned it while braking for the last corner. So next lap I made a few mistakes but I managed to put a time on the board. On my third lap I did better but its not my best yet, but its a wr for now.

    Overall, I have had almost the exact opposite experience of @DriverModFTW, I feel the z4 is driven with the throttle. The brakes are overkill on this car, just like on the mazda mx5 cup car and they both handle very well. Consequently, the engine is the weak link of the equation, and as a result it feels anemic to me, and sounds terrible to boot. So with the setup I used, this car becomes a momentum car like the mxcup car - any time that you're not at full throttle costs time. It looses speed easily because of the awesome brakes but the engine cant get it back up to speed, and since it rails around the corners you can carry that momentum easier. I tend to lift and coast a little more than applying brakes per se, or apply both the throttle and brake at the same time to keep the suspension in check.

    I love the amount of suspension travel though - it just lets you settle nicely into the corner, and the angle lets you know how fast you're going. Last week felt like I was driving a wooden board, so stiff theres only a hint of body roll I couldn't tell how hard the car was working in the corners. Anyways, glad it takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.
  8. Neilski

    Neilski Hardcore Simmer

    Finally, someone has squeaked, by the slimmest margin(!), past Sabine Schmitz's time - the one she set in a Ford Transit o_O
    (How can the BMW Z4 be so damn slow? I expect to find out later, even though I'm no fan of the Nords.)
  9. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    I dont remember exactly but I'm pretty sure that was set on the "tourist" layout, which does not include the partial gp circuit. I could be wrong, but that would explain it.
  10. This is one of those comments that you look at the following day and think "what a tw*t"

    "Grabby brakes", is just failing to properly modulate, ham-footed and poor driving!:D:D:D
  11. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    Well, I've clearly been focusing too much on them, which is why I'm so slow in the z4 thus far. Such a difference from a racecar back to a street car. I have to relearn braking technique for this car.
  12. Neilski

    Neilski Hardcore Simmer

    Ahhhh, that makes a lot of sense!
  13. GoodGame.eXistenZ

    GoodGame.eXistenZ Hardcore Simmer

    long term challenge

    Ok, so for this challenge I started on the Tourist and Nords track to get used to the car. I went for 10° settings. All fine. The Endurance layout at 26°had some surprises to offer. The car would lock up over the kerbs at Adenauer Forst two times, spinning me out instantly. So I feel there is some sort of bug, as this did not happen at lower temperatures. I made two smaller errors which prevented a 9:59:xxx. After having driven the full lap I instantly existed the game without taking a screenshot - stupid me, but habits. But hey, at least I can upload the video - ahah, demo is broken... So I am a bit out of words. I can only offer the RSR entry, it shows the correct entries. I am sorry, it is all I have now :mad::mad::mad:.
    Does someone have the same issue with the demos? Every 20th demo or so is full size, but it stops somewhere in the middle when played. So far I have not been able to make out what causes the issue.
    Anyway, I uploaded the lap on the Tourist layout and hopefully it helps you.

    Short Term Challenge

    So, ahead to the Abarth. This crazy fly is like one of those crazy spinning firecrackers - in German "Wilde Biene". Not really likeable, but you simply need to remember, when it breaks out, by that it becomes controllable. Not a clean lap, but enough for now. Often the slowest cars are the most challenging ones :).
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2020
  14. Wow! Stunning set of times @GoodGame.eXistenZ !

    But, for the Long Term Challenge, I think we can only accept a screenshot of a "9:59:xxx" from you.;):D
    Or less!:cool:
  15. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    Improvement - Short Term
    The Z4 is pissing me off, so I went back to the mosquito and finally drew some blood. RSR has something wrong with their leaderboard for the Abarth/Brands Hatch Indy combo..the person above me, Thomas, has slower splits and yet a quicker time. I can not make sense of it. Anyone able to explain a .307 sec difference in split times, yet his lap is .160 quicker lap??
  16. GoodGame.eXistenZ

    GoodGame.eXistenZ Hardcore Simmer

    Last edited: Mar 22, 2020
  17. Neilski

    Neilski Hardcore Simmer

    That really is impressively broken. Your splits add up to your actual time; his do not... Did you report it yet?
  18. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    How would I go about doing that?
    Pretend racer and 365gt like this.
  19. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    Improvementish - Long Term
    I really stink at this challenge. Ever since I first started on xbox1 with the career mode, I have NEVER gotten along with this particular vehicle. It is literally my kryptonite in this sim.
  20. GoodGame.eXistenZ

    GoodGame.eXistenZ Hardcore Simmer

    Write them a message here. But from my experiences...forget it. You are happy to get a response after all.
    Pretend racer and Mustang 500 like this.

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