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Generic Weekly Hotlap Challenge 175 - Homage to El Mastro

Discussion in 'Console Lounge' started by DriverModFTW, Apr 18, 2020.

  1. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    Welcome to the WHC#175 thread! This week will also be a double challenge. Due to the worldwide pandemic, I figured why not. Let us take our minds off of everyday problems and spend a little more time in the good 'ol days chasing some lap times. I hope everyone is healthy!

    In 1954 Maserati introduced the 250f to compete against the likes of Ferrari and Mercedes in Formula 1. Originally planned to be sold mainly to privateer drivers, a very special driver from Argentina by the name of Juan Manuel Fangio took the helm for the 1954 Formula 1 season. @TotallWytoff had previously mentioned the netflix documentary “A Life of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story”. I highly suggest watching it to learn about one of, if not the, greatest F1 driver ever. I want to focus on this post being mainly about the machine he used in the 1954 and '57 seasons. The Maserati 250f was not developed in a wind tunnel and did not have the most horsepower. It did however win its first two races entered in the '54 season with Fangio behind the wheel. Overall, 8 total race wins out of over 270 it was officially entered in. The 250f was equipped with the A6 SSG 2.5-litre 12v DOHC straight 6 engine fed by three Weber carbs combusted under twin spark plugs per cylinder, which put out anywhere from 220-270bhp. In '54 power was sent through a 4 speed h-pattern gearbox, which moved on to a 5 speed for the '57 season. I have to shed light on the pedal arrangement used in the 250F during this vintage era. The pedal configuration for both of these transmissions was with the pedals set in the “continental” fashion (clutch, throttle, brake). Just imagine for a minute...visualize the speed these vehicles were capable of and implimenting race pace with the pedals arranged in that order. The brakes were ribbed 13.4" drum brakes. Front suspension incorporated wishbone independent coil springs, Houdaille hydraulic dampers, and anti-roll bar. The rear was equipped with the DeDion axle, transverse leaf spring, Houdaille hydraulic dampers, and anti-roll bar. The 250f weighed 670kgs in the early '54 iterations, dropping to 630kgs for the '57 model, and had a top speed of around 180mph (figures depending on your source). The v12 did see one race in the '57 season piloted by Jean Behra, however it was quickly discovered the v12 not only destroyed its tires but also had overheating issues. According to El Masestro himself, the additional power at the expense of additional weight gave the 250f no real advantage over the inline 6. So Fangio stuck with the tried and true I6 for the '57 season. In this WHC175 we are met with a dual challenge, which I hope help extract the strengths of these vehicles.

    Maserati 250F 6 cylinder
    Highlands Short

    Cobblestone: Check
    Zero margin for error: Check
    Finesse required: Check
    All my boxes are ticked for this challenge as we reminisce the old days where mistakes = almost certain death. Since we dont have Monaco to traverse, it was decided that this course is as close as we would get to present some of the challenges faced by the brave souls of the 50's era racers. The skill required to lap this course at pace without wrecking the car will make you sweat (at least it did for me!). This course, albeit short, will keep you on your toes and make you focus on precision placement.
    As for lap time reference, the current but not for long world record on RSR is 56.207 set by me.
    Only Vintage tires are available and recommended PSI is 40.

    Maserati 250F 12 Cylinder
    Black Cat County

    The v12 really enjoys stretching its "legs" and letting the rear hang out there to get around corners quickest. I feel this course allows you to explore the capabilities of this v12 model.
    RSR world record (again, not for long) is 2.43.933 set by me.
    Only Vintage tires available, recommended PSI is 40.

    ****WHC #174 is still running until tomorrow, 4/19/2020 until 18:00 GMT (I believe?)****

    How to take part:
    To enter, select Hotlap, choose #1 Maserati 250F 6 cylinder and Highlands Short
    #2 Maserati 250F 12 cylinder and Black Cat County
    Please setup the session as shown below:
    Mode: Hotlap
    Ambient Temp: 26 Degrees
    Setup: Time of day: Free / Controller: Free / Assists: Free / Stability: Free
    To qualify you must have the ambient temp set to 26 DegC.

    Deadline: Sunday 26th of April 2020
    Chequered Flag will drop shortly before 6pm.

    You can run as many laps as you like and update your times as often as you like. It is all about taking part, pushing yourself and enjoying Assetto Corsa. All Platforms are welcome. To submit a time, pause the game and select 'session' from the menu and screenshot this page or take a photo of your screen and post it in this thread - Note all the information from the screen is required including temperature, mode heading and of course the car being used!

    Please use the following format to post your times:
    Event name: Short Term or Long Term (just in case it's not obvious from the time shown!)
    Improvement (Required if you have already posted a time)
    Your name (as you would like it to appear on the leaderboard)
    Your time - shown as x.xx.xxx.
    Your platform (PC Xb1 PS4)
    The screen shot showing your time.
    (Optional but in the spirit) Your thoughts or any comment
    Please post video clips and share information in here as well.

    Weekly Hotlap Challenge History
    1. Mugello - Praga R1 Posted by John Gordon 3rd Oct, 2016 (Console Lounge P55)
    2. Imola - Mercedes SLS GT3
    3. Brands Hatch GP - RUF RT12 Posted by GravelTrap 19th Oct 2016 (Console Lounge P54)
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    7. Nurburgring GP (GT) - Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI
    8. Spa - BMW M3 GT2
    9. Vallelunga Club - KTM X-Bow R
    10. Barcelona - Moto - Shelby Cobra 427 S/C
    11. Silverstone 1967 - Lotus 72D
    12. Nordschleife - Porsche 911 Carrera S
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    14. Monza Junior 1966 - Alfa Romeo GTA
    15. Redbull Ring GP - Lamborghini Gallardo Sl
    16. Zandvoort - Ford Escort RS1600
    17. Imola - Mazda Rx-7 Spirit R
    18. Brands Hatch GP - Lotus Exige V6 Cup
    19. Monza - Ferrari FXX K
    20. Barcelona - Moto - Ferrari 488 GT3
    21. Mugello - Alfa Romeo Giulietta QV
    22. Silverstone GP - Porsche 911 GT3 Cup 2017
    23. Nurburgring Sprint GT - Toyota AE86 Tuned
    24. Magione - Maserati Levante S
    25. Spa - Lotus 98T
    26. Vallelunga - Classic - Porsche 935/78 "Moby Dick"
    27. Nordschleife Endurance Cup - M235i Racing
    28. Silverstone 1967 - Maserati 250F T2 12C
    29. Red Bull Ring National - BMW 1M (Posted by HavanaB0B, 1st May 2017
    30. Zandvoort - Lotus Evora GX
    31. Barcelona GP - Lotus Exos 125 Stage 1
    32. Brands Hatch Indy - Toyota Supra MKIV Time Attack Posted by by Graveltrap 21st May 2017
    33. Black Cat County Long - Lamborghini Countach
    34. Imola - Mercedes Benz 190E Evo II
    35. Monza - Chevrolet Corvette C7R
    36. Nurburgring Sprint GT - BMW M3 E30
    37. Magione - Mercedes SLS AMG
    38. Spa - Porsche 917/30 Spyder
    39. Silverstone GP - Nissan GT-R Nismo Posted by Hugo Catarino,9th July 2017
    40. RedBull Ring GP - Alfa Romeo 4c
    41. Brands Hatch GP - Audi R8 LMS Ultra
    42. Highlands Long - Ford GT40
    43. Vallelunga - Lotus GTE Carbon
    44. Zandvoort - Porsche 911 Turbo S Posted by Graveltrap 13th Aug 2017
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    46. Mugello - BMW M3 E92
    47. Black Cat County - Short - Ford Mustang 2015
    48. Imola - Maserati MC12 GT1
    49. Silverstone 1967 - Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0
    50. Barcelona Moto - McLaren 570S
    51. Magione - Mazda Miata NA
    52. Spa - Ferrari F40
    53. Vallelunga - Corvette C7 Stingray Posted by Moodyryder 23rd Oct 2017 (Console Lounge p14)
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    55. Highlands - Lotus 3 eleven
    56. Nurburgring GP (GT) - Toyota Celica ST185 4WD Turbo
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    58. Nordschleife - Porsche 962 C Short Tail
    59. Zandvoort- Nissan 370Z Nismo
    60. Silverstone GP - McLaren F1
    61. Vallelunga Classic - Ferrari 250GTO
    62. Imola - Lotus 98T
    63. Highlands Drift - P4/5 Competizione
    64. Mugello - Lamborghini Aventador SV
    65. Spa - Porsche 911R
    66. Black Cat County - Lotus 2-Eleven GT4
    67. Barcelona GP - Ferrari SF70H
    68. Nordschleife Endurance & Highlands - Porsche 917k
    69. Zandvoort - Lotus Exige Scura Posted by Hugo Catarino 25th Feb 2o18 (Console Lounge p7)
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    71. Laguna Seca - Audi Sport quattro S1 E2
    72. Brands Hatch - McLaren P1
    73. Imola - Porsche 911 RSR
    74. Nurburgring GP - Ferrari F2004
    75. Barcelona Moto - Lamborghini Huracan Performante
    76. Silverstone 1967 - Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale
    77. Magione - BMW 1M Stage 3
    78. Highlands Long - Mazda 787b
    79. Black Cat County - Toyota GT86
    80. Spa - Toyota TS040 Hybrid
    81. Vallelunga Classic - Nissan Skyline R34 V-Spec
    82. Mugello - Ferrari 458 GT2
    83. Silverstone International - RUF R12 R AWD
    84. Highlands Long - Audi R18 e-tron quattro 2014
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    86. Nordschleife - Lotus 3-eleven
    87. Zandvoort - Maserati GranTurismo MC GT4
    88. Redbull Ring GP - Mercedes Sauber C9
    89. Brands Hatch - Lotus 25
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    93. Vallelunga - BMW M3 E30 Gr.A 92
    94. Laguna Seca - Alfa Romeo Mito QV
    95. Nordschleife - RUF Yellowbird & Ferrari F40
    96. Barcelona GP - BMW Z4 GT3
    97. Highlands Drift - Ferrari 458 Italia
    98. Spa - Lotus Type 49
    99. Zandvoort - Porsche 911 GT1-98
    100. Silverstone - Nissan GT-R GT3;
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    101. Mugello - Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
    102. Silverstone National - Mazda MX5 Cup or Abarth 500 Assetto Corse
    103. Highlands Short – Ford Escort RS1600 Posted by Totall Wrytoff 11th Nov 2018 (Console Lounge p2)
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    106. Magione – Toyota Supra MkIV
    107. Brands Hatch Indy 5 lap - Porsche 911 GT3 RS
    107. Nurburgring Sprint - Porsche 911 GT3 RS
    108. Nordschleife - Abarth 595SS
    108 Laguna Seca 5 lap - McLaren F1 GTR
    109. Brands Hatch - Ferrari FXX K
    110. Highlands – Lamborghini Miura P400 SV
    111. Imola - Scuderia Glickenhaus SCG 003C
    112. Vallelunga Club – Lotus Exos T125
    113. Highlands Drift - Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport
    114. Barcelona Moto - Maserati 250F 6 cylinder
    115. Silverstone GP – Ferrari F138
    116. Laguna Seca – Lotus 72D
    117. Red Bull Ring GP - Ferrari SF15-T
    118. Spa Francorchamps – Maserati Quattroporte GTS
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    121. Silverstone 1967 – Ford GT40
    122. Nurburgring GP - Porsche 919 Hybrid 2016
    123. Highlands Drift Circuit – Porsche 718 RS 60 Spyder
    124. Nordschleife Endurance – Porsche 962C Long Tail
    125. Red Bull Ring National - Audi R8 V10 Plus
    126. Imola – Ferrari 330 P4
    127. Monza 1966 Road Course - Pagani Huayra BC
    128. Mugello – Ferrari GTO
    129. Vallelunga – Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
    130. Black Cat County – Shelby Cobra 427S/C
    131. Laguna Seca – Lotus Evora GTC
    132. Brands Hatch GP – McLaren MP4 12C
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    134. Monza GP – Lamborghini Gallardo SL S3/ Countach S1
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    137. Barcelona Moto – Lotus Exige S Roadster
    138. Monza 1966 Full Course – Porsche 918 Spyder
    139. Spa Francorchamps – Ferrari 812 Superfast
    140. Zandvoort – Mercedes Benz AMG GT3
    141. Silverstone GP – Porsche Cayman GT4
    142. Vallelunga Classic – Tatuus FA10
    143. Brands Hatch GP - Audi Quattro Sport Step 1
    144. Red Bull Ring GP - Ferrari 488 GTB
    145. Nurburgring GP (GT ) – BMW M3 E30 Group A
    146. Imola – Ferrari 458 Italia Step 3
    147. Laguna Seca – KTM X-Bow R
    148. Mugello – Ford GT40
    149. Vallelunga Club – Maserati Levante S (Posted by Graveltrap!)
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    153. Brands Hatch GP – Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0
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    154. Monza GP - Audi R8 LMS 2016
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    156. Silverstone International - Mazda RX-7 Tuned
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    159. Black Cat County Short – Lotus Type 49
    160. Mugello – BMW M3 E30 Step 1
    161. Spa Francochamps – McLaren 650s GT3
    162. Magione - Ruf CTR Yellowbird
    163. Highlands Drift – Lotus Elise SC Step 1
    164. Silverstone GP - Tatuus FA01
    165. Nurburgring Sprint - Guilietta QVLE (First thread by Pretend racer)
    166. Highlands Long – Ferrari 330P4 and Ford GT40 (Posted by moodyryder)
    167. Zandvoort – Porsche Cayenne Turbo S (Totall Wrytoff)
    168. Black Cat County Long - Porsche 919 Hybrid 2015
    169. Vallelunga Club – Porsche 718 Boxster S
    170. Imola – Ferrari F2004
    171. Brands Hatch Indy - Abarth 595 SS Step 2
    171. Nordschleife Endurance - BMW Z4 E89
    172. Laguna Seca – Audi Sport Quattro
    173. Red Bull RIng GP - Toyota Supra MKIV
    174. Brands Hatch GP - Audi TT RS VLN
    174. Mugello - Mazda 787B
    175. Highlands Short - Maserati 250F 6 cylinder
    175. Black Cat County - Maserati 250F 12 cylinder
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2020

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  3. 6 cyl
    Totall Wrytoff
    Had to have a quick go.... Reduced fuel and shortest transmission, otherwise stock with default tyre pressures.
    It's very understeery, until it oversteers!
    Quite a long way off @DriverModFTW 's 56.2, but if I can get the front to respond a bit quicker, I should at least get halfway there.:)

    Thanks to @moodyryder for his solution to my set-ups not saving. Create a new user profile. Set ups now save.
    Looks like there is a limit on how many set-ups you can save.
  4. Improvement
    6 cyl
    Totall Wrytoff
    Got the tyres to 34psi, and changed front toe to -10ish (from -20 to +20 on consoles)
    Rear toe and rear camber are not adjustable.
  5. moodyryder

    moodyryder Hardcore Simmer

    Nay ****e Sherlock.
  6. 12 cyl
    Totall Wrytoff
    Quick shakedown. This is like skiing!
    After a few goes, I put ABS on.... Kept locking up, I'm not skilful enough yet/ get the yips.
  7. Improvement
    12 cyl
    Totall Wrytoff
    Feeling my way into the ribbed drums!
    ABS off, brake pressure at 97% is the answer.
    Full throttle anywhere other than the straight is reckless :D
  8. Neilski

    Neilski Alien

    You're saying it locks up with the ABS? :eek:
    Pretend racer and Totall Wrytoff like this.
  9. :D
    My poor expression!
    I mean - after a few goes with it locking up, I put the ABS on. But that makes the slowing painful, so back to ABS off, with a lower braking force for my clunky foot.
    The whole thing is 2 mins of semi-permanent slide anyway and at least a bit of a screech shows something's happening!
    Pretend racer and Neilski like this.
  10. Neilski

    Neilski Alien

    (I don't even get the option of ABS, at least on the 6-cylinder version.)
    Pretend racer and Totall Wrytoff like this.
  11. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    Fixed recommended PSI in main post, my mistake!
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2020
  12. Neilski

    Neilski Alien

    Woooow, this is a total blast. I hadn't known what to expect but by hell this is serious fun. I had to adjust my G27 down from 900 degrees to about half that, just to avoid wrenching my dodgy shoulder with all the opposite lock! :D:D:D
    The setup: totally clueless. I adjusted the suspension to some crazy extremes, including all heights to minimum, all springs to minimum, and set a time, then set all springs to maximum, and set a very similar time (a few tenths quicker). I've got the gears set so I use 1st-3rd, and am still feeling my way around, but wow, big cheesy grin!
    This has more in common with rallying than track racing - I'm gunning it with serious opposite lock, and then throwing it at the inside barriers knowing it'll miss by miles... ROFL.
    I can't remember the last WHC where the quickest way around the track was sideways but this might be the one.
    PS: @DriverModFTW - Sidekick is telling me that 40psi is the optimum, so maybe it's wrong? I think it might use a hard-coded look-up table; maybe it's out of date. I forgot to check the colour of the pressures in the tyre app.
  13. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

    @Neilski so then 32 cold. That sounds right. I ran my setup with 34 front, 32 rear at black cat. These vintage tires don't take to heat well and I found at black cat county my fronts were heating more with less psi (so I started with all of them green). I went up to 34, where they are just out of green. I found the temps were more stable throughout the lap with a little more psi in the front. Ill change the recommended to 32 in the post for a better baseline (these values are the menu tuning values, not "hot" value)

    I also forgot to mention this can either be done as individual, pick your poison, or combo. No pressure, just have fun.
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2020
  14. DriverModFTW

    DriverModFTW Hardcore Simmer

  15. Stan Getz

    Stan Getz Simracer

    6 cyl
    Stan getz

    Nice track and car

    Thought this was a fast blanker lap.... now i see already a 57:786. Back to the track and out in some more laps

    Attached Files:

  16. moodyryder

    moodyryder Hardcore Simmer

    12 cylinder

    A bit beyond my pay grade this one.

    I had a pair of laps in practice mode and they didn't go well. I thought I'd go straight into Hotlap and the first clean lap would have to do.

    As it was I managed to get round unscathed on the first attempt before promptly dropping it at the first turn on lap 2.

    2m53.9 it is then.
  17. Improvement
    6 cyl
    Totall Wrytoff
    Tyres now at 40psi! Got this on the 2nd lap, feels much more stable, should be able to get a 56 with a bit of practice:)
  18. Improvement
    6 cyl
    Totall Wrytoff
    I think I'm still a couple of seconds off...;)
  19. caly82

    caly82 Racer

    6 cylinder

    Last edited: Apr 20, 2020
  20. Improvement
    6 cyl
    Totall Wrytoff
    Target achieved. The fruit of an enjoyable afternoon's effort.

    Things aren't looking so good at Black Cat.
  21. LeiF

    LeiF Alien

    6 Cylinder
    this car is incredible :)



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