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Generic Weekly Hotlap Challenge 178 – Sir Stirling Moss and the age of chivalry

Discussion in 'Console Lounge' started by Totall Wrytoff, May 9, 2020.

  1. Welcome to the thread for the Weekly Hotlap Challenge 178 – A tribute to Sir Stirling Moss. This week I want to acknowledge and pay a little tribute to one of the greatest racing drivers this planet has seen.

    Car: Lotus Type 25, or Lotus Elise SC
    Track: Silverstone GP
    Sir Stirling Moss, even more than being a racer, was a gentleman. Qualities forgotten in today’s world, he had principles and a moral code that wavered for nothing. He is remembered for that as much as his driving, which speaks volumes.
    It cost him a World Championship, but what’s more important?

    Since we’ve just done the Maseratis, ideally, we would be driving the Lotus 18.
    Sir Stirling retired from racing in 1962 after a massive crash, whilst testing a Lotus at Goodwood. The earliest Lotus we have was introduced the year after Sir Stirling retired from racing, the Type 25 from 1962. But, perhaps Sir Stirling tested early prototypes….

    The Lotus Type 25 was a revolution in F1 design and many of those innovations are still present today. Typically, from an idea developed over a good lunch and sketched on a restaurant napkin, Chapman developed the fully stressed 'monocoque' design. This was stronger, more rigid and so compact that drivers in the Lotus 25 seemed like lying down instead of sitting in the car. So it became known as "the bathtub".
    On sitting in the car Chapman, a big bloke, found that he could fit quite comfortably. He immediately announced "This cockpit's too wide ... take another inch and a half out out of it!" Dick Scammell, one of the mechanics, later remarked: "None of us really knew what we were doing, but it all took shape very nicely and it certainly looked right."
    None of us remember this logo!

    The Type 25 is powered by an amazing sounding 1.5 litre V8, supplied by Coventry Climax. Reving to 9,000 rpm, this produces only 195bhp, but, as you will feel, the car weighs just over 450kgs, and it’s perfect.

    A modern alternative?
    The Lotus Elise SC - If you are not a fan of the old ways, there is an alternative. The Lotus Elise SC’s WHC debut.
    The Elise was launched in 1996 with, as an entirely new Lotus, quite a big fanfare. I remember thinking how massively expensive it was for just a basic tub and an old Rover engine. Due to its mid-engine layout and on limit skittishness, the Series 1 Elise rapidly got a reputation for being less forgiving than the Spanish Inquisition.

    The Lotus SC is a Series 2 car from 2008. The SC is powered by Toyota’s 1.8L straight four, 2ZZ-GE engine, boosted by a Roots supercharger to produce 217 bhp for its 930kgs.
    Henry Catchpole said in an EVO mag 2008 review, “There’s usually an element of slightly raw thrashiness about these Toyota engines, but the way the revs rise and fall as you work up and down the gearbox in the Elise SC, is like butter mixed with honey.”
    See what you think.

    The full Silverstone GP Circuit.
    Hallowed Tarmac.
    It’s been mucked around with, but still.
    I’ve been lucky enough to have done track days at Silverstone. I didn’t anticipate this, but when you roll out of the pit lane onto the surprisingly narrow strip of road, “little old you” are following the wheel tracks of all of the greatest drivers we’ve known…. and the hairs stand up on the back of your neck.

    Out on track, with stock set-up, the Type 25 requires an adjustment to your normal approach to driving. The trick seems to be to get the braking out of the way much earlier. This allows you to get the nose right into the corner and play with the throttle to manage your route through and out the otherside. The car is so light and tactile it is just a delight.

    The Elise SC, with half a century of tyre and chassis development, retains that same tactility and playfulness. But it is a much smaller window!! It requires you to be much more accurate. It has an annoying engine note though, the supercharger whines away at you.

    Lap time wise, both cars should post similar times. 2 mins 31 secs is the target around Silverstone GP for the Type 25. But, it took me quite a few attempts before I managed a clean lap at 2:34 dead. Tyre pressures are important, the engine limiter seems to have no real effect! For the Elise, I was a few seconds slower.
    In the Elise, I see GG.e has already claimed world fastest, with a quite brilliant 2:26.770. More tellingly 10th place is a 2 mins 40 secs, compared to a 2 mins 38 for the Type 25. So it's close.

    Recommended hot tyre pressures, in psi:
    …Elise SC: Street - fronts 32 rears 34 Semislicks - - fronts 29 rears 31
    …Type 25: 1963 GP compound – a good 45 psi all round!

    Rest in peace Sir Stirling Moss. You were a very special person. The world has lost a great gentleman. Thank-you for showing us, not only the way to drive, but also the way to behave.


    How to take part:
    To enter, select Hotlap, choose the Lotus Elise SC and the Silverstone GP circuit.
    Please setup the session as shown below:
    Mode: Hotlap
    Ambient Temp: 26 Degrees
    Setup: Time of day: Free / Controller: Free / Assists: Free / Stability: Free
    To qualify you must have the ambient temp set to 26 DegC.

    Deadline: Sunday 17th May 2020
    Chequered Flag will drop shortly before 6pm.

    You can run as many laps as you like and update your times as often as you like. It is all about taking part, pushing yourself and enjoying Assetto Corsa. All Platforms are welcome. To submit a time, pause the game and select 'session' from the menu and screenshot this page or take a photo of your screen and post it in this thread - Note all the information from the screen is required including temperature, mode heading and of course the car being used!

    Please use the following format to post your times:
    (Required if you have already posted a time)
    Car Type 25 or Elise SC
    Your name (as you would like it to appear on the leaderboard)
    Your times - shown as x.xx.xxx.
    Your platform (PC Xb1 PS4)
    The screen shot showing your time.
    (Optional but in the spirit) Your thoughts or any comment
    Please post video clips and share information in here as well.

    Weekly Hotlap Challenge History
    1. Mugello - Praga R1 Posted by John Gordon 3rd Oct, 2016 (Console Lounge P55)
    2. Imola - Mercedes SLS GT3
    3. Brands Hatch GP - RUF RT12 Posted by GravelTrap 19th Oct 2016 (Console Lounge P54)
    4. Magione - Lotus 2 Eleven
    5. Silverstone International - Abarth 500 Assetto Corse
    6. Zandvoort - Pagani Huayra
    7. Nurburgring GP (GT) - Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI
    8. Spa - BMW M3 GT2
    9. Vallelunga Club - KTM X-Bow R
    10. Barcelona - Moto - Shelby Cobra 427 S/C
    11. Silverstone 1967 - Lotus 72D
    12. Nordschleife - Porsche 911 Carrera S
    13. Black Cat County - Ferrari LaFerrari
    14. Monza Junior 1966 - Alfa Romeo GTA
    15. Redbull Ring GP - Lamborghini Gallardo Sl
    16. Zandvoort - Ford Escort RS1600
    17. Imola - Mazda Rx-7 Spirit R
    18. Brands Hatch GP - Lotus Exige V6 Cup
    19. Monza - Ferrari FXX K
    20. Barcelona - Moto - Ferrari 488 GT3
    21. Mugello - Alfa Romeo Giulietta QV
    22. Silverstone GP - Porsche 911 GT3 Cup 2017
    23. Nurburgring Sprint GT - Toyota AE86 Tuned
    24. Magione - Maserati Levante S
    25. Spa - Lotus 98T
    26. Vallelunga - Classic - Porsche 935/78 "Moby Dick"
    27. Nordschleife Endurance Cup - M235i Racing
    28. Silverstone 1967 - Maserati 250F T2 12C
    29. Red Bull Ring National - BMW 1M (Posted by HavanaB0B, 1st May 2017
    30. Zandvoort - Lotus Evora GX
    31. Barcelona GP - Lotus Exos 125 Stage 1
    32. Brands Hatch Indy - Toyota Supra MKIV Time Attack Posted by by Graveltrap 21st May 2017
    33. Black Cat County Long - Lamborghini Countach
    34. Imola - Mercedes Benz 190E Evo II
    35. Monza - Chevrolet Corvette C7R
    36. Nurburgring Sprint GT - BMW M3 E30
    37. Magione - Mercedes SLS AMG
    38. Spa - Porsche 917/30 Spyder
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    41. Brands Hatch GP - Audi R8 LMS Ultra
    42. Highlands Long - Ford GT40
    43. Vallelunga - Lotus GTE Carbon
    44. Zandvoort - Porsche 911 Turbo S Posted by Graveltrap 13th Aug 2017
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    46. Mugello - BMW M3 E92
    47. Black Cat County - Short - Ford Mustang 2015
    48. Imola - Maserati MC12 GT1
    49. Silverstone 1967 - Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0
    50. Barcelona Moto - McLaren 570S
    51. Magione - Mazda Miata NA
    52. Spa - Ferrari F40
    53. Vallelunga - Corvette C7 Stingray Posted by Moodyryder 23rd Oct 2017 (Console Lounge p14)
    54. Brands Hatch GP - Tatuus FA01
    55. Highlands - Lotus 3 eleven
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    57. Monza 1966 Full Course - Ferrari 312/67
    58. Nordschleife - Porsche 962 C Short Tail
    59. Zandvoort- Nissan 370Z Nismo
    60. Silverstone GP - McLaren F1
    61. Vallelunga Classic - Ferrari 250GTO
    62. Imola - Lotus 98T
    63. Highlands Drift - P4/5 Competizione
    64. Mugello - Lamborghini Aventador SV
    65. Spa - Porsche 911R
    66. Black Cat County - Lotus 2-Eleven GT4
    67. Barcelona GP - Ferrari SF70H
    68. Nordschleife Endurance & Highlands - Porsche 917k
    69. Zandvoort - Lotus Exige Scura Posted by Hugo Catarino 25th Feb 2o18 (Console Lounge p7)
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    71. Laguna Seca - Audi Sport quattro S1 E2
    72. Brands Hatch - McLaren P1
    73. Imola - Porsche 911 RSR
    74. Nurburgring GP - Ferrari F2004
    75. Barcelona Moto - Lamborghini Huracan Performante
    76. Silverstone 1967 - Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale
    77. Magione - BMW 1M Stage 3
    78. Highlands Long - Mazda 787b
    79. Black Cat County - Toyota GT86
    80. Spa - Toyota TS040 Hybrid
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    82. Mugello - Ferrari 458 GT2
    83. Silverstone International - RUF R12 R AWD
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    85. Monza - Pagani Zonda R
    86. Nordschleife - Lotus 3-eleven
    87. Zandvoort - Maserati GranTurismo MC GT4
    88. Redbull Ring GP - Mercedes Sauber C9
    89. Brands Hatch - Lotus Type 25
    90. Highlands Short - Abarth 595 SS
    91. Nurburgring GP (GT) - Audi TT Cup
    92. Monza 1966 - Road Course - Porsche 908 LH
    93. Vallelunga - BMW M3 E30 Gr.A 92
    94. Laguna Seca - Alfa Romeo Mito QV
    95. Nordschleife - RUF Yellowbird & Ferrari F40
    96. Barcelona GP - BMW Z4 GT3
    97. Highlands Drift - Ferrari 458 Italia
    98. Spa - Lotus Type 49
    99. Zandvoort - Porsche 911 GT1-98
    100. Silverstone - Nissan GT-R GT3;
    100. Brands Hatch - Lotus Exige V6; Vallelunga - free car
    101. Mugello - Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
    102. Silverstone National - Mazda MX5 Cup or Abarth 500 Assetto Corse
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    105. Monza 66 Junior Course – Ferrari F40 S3
    106. Magione – Toyota Supra MkIV
    107. Brands Hatch Indy 5 lap - Porsche 911 GT3 RS
    107. Nurburgring Sprint - Porsche 911 GT3 RS
    108. Nordschleife - Abarth 595SS
    108 Laguna Seca 5 lap - McLaren F1 GTR
    109. Brands Hatch - Ferrari FXX K
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    111. Imola - Scuderia Glickenhaus SCG 003C
    112. Vallelunga Club – Lotus Exos T125
    113. Highlands Drift - Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport
    114. Barcelona Moto - Maserati 250F 6 cylinder
    115. Silverstone GP – Ferrari F138
    116. Laguna Seca – Lotus 72D
    117. Red Bull Ring GP - Ferrari SF15-T
    118. Spa Francorchamps – Maserati Quattroporte GTS
    119. Zandvoort – Toyota AE86
    120. Silverstone National – BMW M3 E92 Step 1
    121. Silverstone 1967 – Ford GT40
    122. Nurburgring GP - Porsche 919 Hybrid 2016
    123. Highlands Drift Circuit – Porsche 718 RS 60 Spyder
    124. Nordschleife Endurance – Porsche 962C Long Tail
    125. Red Bull Ring National - Audi R8 V10 Plus
    126. Imola – Ferrari 330 P4
    127. Monza 1966 Road Course - Pagani Huayra BC
    128. Mugello – Ferrari GTO
    129. Vallelunga – Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
    130. Black Cat County – Shelby Cobra 427S/C
    131. Laguna Seca – Lotus Evora GTC
    132. Brands Hatch GP – McLaren MP4 12C
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    134. Monza GP – Lamborghini Gallardo SL S3/ Countach S1
    135. Magione – Mazda MX-5 ND
    136. Nordschleife Endurance Cup – Ferrari F2004
    137. Barcelona Moto – Lotus Exige S Roadster
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    139. Spa Francorchamps – Ferrari 812 Superfast
    140. Zandvoort – Mercedes Benz AMG GT3
    141. Silverstone GP – Porsche Cayman GT4
    142. Vallelunga Classic – Tatuus FA10
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    149. Vallelunga Club – Maserati Levante S (Posted by Graveltrap!)
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    153. Brands Hatch GP – Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0
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    163. Highlands Drift – Lotus Elise SC Step 1
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    165. Nurburgring Sprint - Guilietta QVLE (First thread by Pretend racer)
    166. Highlands Long – Ferrari 330P4 and Ford GT40 (Posted by moodyryder)
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    174. Brands Hatch GP - Audi TT RS VLN
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    175. Highlands Short - Maserati 250F 6 cylinder
    175. Black Cat County - Maserati 250F 12 cylinder
    176. Nurburgring GP - Lamborghini Huracan GT3
    177. Spa Francochamps – Porsche 911 GT3 RS
    178. Silverstone GP – Lotus Type 25 or Elise SC
    Last edited: May 10, 2020

  2. P308R

    P308R Hardcore Simmer

    I really appreciate how the organisation puts in the effort and adds every week a little story to the challenge. Really is engaging and thank you for doing so.

    I probably run only the classic Lotus, I can't stand the Elise :oops:
  3. GoodGame.eXistenZ

    GoodGame.eXistenZ Hardcore Simmer

    Great introduction TW.
    Elise, Elise, Elise!!! One of the best drivers cars around imo.
  4. Mustang 500

    Mustang 500 Simracer

    Elise SC
    Mustang 500
    The Lotus is very good around the turns and I enjoy its manual gearbox.
  5. P308R

    P308R Hardcore Simmer

    I agree, the name Elise is linked to being a great drivers car. However, my dispise for this car comes from AC itself. I did some stuff of the career where I found the Elise's just terrible to drive. Same as Exige and Evora. The only one that makes me smile is the Evora GT4. That one drives fantastic.

    I'll see if I give the Elise a go....
  6. Type 25
    Totall Wrytoff
    First go out last night, quite a few laps to get the tyre pressures even, optimise the trans.
    Haven't touched the suspension. I see ride height could be dropped significantly, which always helps with these cars.
    I'm at 37 38 38 39 for the tyre values. (console)
    Then had a longish run and got to within 4/10ths of the world record.
    I'm feeling stirling!:D
  7. GoodGame.eXistenZ

    GoodGame.eXistenZ Hardcore Simmer

    Lotus Elise SC

    Not much to say about the Elise - I love it, although the stock Elise is a bit understeery. But just throw it into the corner and accelerate - that is all it takes :)

    Time in the video is 2:26:560 done at 10°.

    Lotus Type 25

    Never driven any of the classis Lotus. So, I had to learn the car and learn how to keep it stable under braking, which is the hardest part with this car. Not a perfect lap, but happy so far. Setup: Height FR 6, Back 15. Springs FR 12, back 30. Toe full negative @front, 2 clicks more aggressive at the rear. ARB front 120, back 15. Gearing top speed ~270. Diff 10%, Diff coast 5%, Diff Preload 10%. Camber -1 front, 1,5 back.
  8. F1415182235

    F1415182235 Hardcore Simmer

  9. GoodGame.eXistenZ

    GoodGame.eXistenZ Hardcore Simmer

    Yes mate :D
    I'd rather be the first GoodGame.eXistenZ anyway ;)
  10. OK!!:D That's shifted the goal posts...
    The target time is now FOUR SECONDS less than before!:)

    What a marvellous lap and a joy to watch @GoodGame.eXistenZ , I think you make two seconds over me just through turn 3! So neat and tidy. Thanks!
  11. moodyryder

    moodyryder Hardcore Simmer

    I span out twice just watching that.
  12. P308R

    P308R Hardcore Simmer

    Bastian Boillot


    Heeelpppp!!!! :eek:
  13. P308R

    P308R Hardcore Simmer


    Bastian Boillot


    I am far from comfortable in this car.
  14. Peggy11

    Peggy11 Hardcore Simmer

    Lotus 25


    Think I'll focus on the Elise for the rest of the week, this thing has next to no grip and the brakes leave a lot to be desired! Fair play to anyone driving it for real in anger back in the 60's with the circuits and the safety standards of the time as well. :eek:
  15. P308R

    P308R Hardcore Simmer

    I tried to keep her as tidy as possible but as others (aliens) have shown, there seems to be a lot more to get out of her. My drive was done stock with 5L of fuel.
  16. GoodGame.eXistenZ

    GoodGame.eXistenZ Hardcore Simmer

    @P308R Very smooth lap again. If you could get it into a small drift before each turn, you can accelerate earlier and get rid of the understeer.

    @Totall Wrytoff : Thanks. Did not want to make it too easy for you there :p
  17. LeiF

    LeiF Alien

    Just a quick go for now, love this car but took a moment to remember how to make it unstable under braking :D

    Lotus 25

    Loaded some old race setup from Nurb GP, 4 laps, restarted to correct PSI, then another lap and a half fiddling with brake bias and getting the feel; restarted then a couple of 29s so quite pleased so far to just sneak inside 2s of the lead, almost remembering how to be fast in this car, next to hook it up the whole lap and remove about 15 mistakes, and we might be onto something :)



  18. Peggy11

    Peggy11 Hardcore Simmer

    Lotus 25


    Well I went back and had another go, it's a bit like beer this car! You say just one more and that's it, but then go back for one last one go.......... :)
  19. Elise SC
    Totall Wrytoff
    Just a quick run round for the leaderboard.
    It needed a back marker.
  20. WHC 178
    Tuesday’s Timings

    Lotus 25

    1. GoodGame.eXistenZ - 2:27:632 PC
    2. Leif - 2.29.610 PC
    3. Totall Wrytoff - 2.32.009 PS4
    4. Peggy11 - 2:33:613 PC
    5. Bastian Boillot - 2:33:888 PS4

    @GoodGame.eXistenZ has got off to a flying start! In fact, he's completed disappeared into the 27s, for both cars. Interestingly, he's faster in the 2008 plastic sports car than the 1962/3 F1 car.
    I could try a bit harder in the "Elsie" but I find her whining a bit tyre-some. (ouch)
    Meanwhile, despite admitting to a mistake per corner, @LeiF posts an excellent time in the 29s.
    Clearly some of us are making at least three or four mistakes per corner!:D
    @Peggy11 and @P308R, aka Bastian, are getting to grips... no that's a terrible choice of expression..., are working on finding grip in the vintage Lotus!

    Lotus Elise SC

    1. GoodGame.eXistenZ - 2:27:119 PC
    2. Mustang 500 - 2.28.627 XB1
    3. Totall Wrytoff - 2.33.572 PS4

    Great lap from @GoodGame.eXistenZ , bar one tenth, he's FOUR seconds faster than the next bloke on RSR....
    @Mustang 500 got stuck in early with Elise and got on very well. His time, despite being over a second slower than GoodGame, is just under two seconds faster than the 2nd placed man on the RSR leader board. Excellent lap.

    Incidentally, the Elise was named after Elisa Artioli, granddaughter of Romano Artioli, chairman of Lotus and Bugatti at the car's launch.
    Since a picture tells a thousand words, here she is with Series 1 and Series 3.......
    Last edited: May 12, 2020

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