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Who's at Fault? - Discussing Racecraft and Incidents

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by m_box97, Jan 15, 2020.

  1. alex_savo

    alex_savo Simracer



    "Rashkov" in the Ferrari, me in the Aston Martin. He claimed afterwards I should stick to the racing line and I was all over the place.
     
  2. LATE4APEX

    LATE4APEX Alien

    You were the lead car taking the normal racing line, as you are entitled to, the Ferrari went over the white line, and intentionally ran into you, that simple.
     
  3. I agree with @LATE4APEX :)
    I don't know it was intentionally but 100% fault of the Ferrari. :cool:
     
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  4. Coanda

    Coanda Alien

    :eek: ..this could be a first.. :p

    Ferrari 100%
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2020
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  5. LATE4APEX

    LATE4APEX Alien

    <… :)
     
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  6. stephen_b

    stephen_b Racer

    Ferrari driver is just annoyed they made a mistake and so looking to pass the blame onto someone else. No helping some people, expect them to be involved in similar contact in the future.
     
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  7. Oberonone

    Oberonone Gamer

    Think i'm pretty much done with game, too many idiots around, who think they can just plough through someone if they are not quite as quick. Many don't know how to react to what's going on around of them and probably don't care either.

    Did 3 online races today, back to back, all of which ended up with me being rammed/sideswiped or punted off by idiots. Sure we all make mistakes, self included, but I feel the level of diving standards and etiquette are far below what one would hope. Sad indictment of the world we live in I guess. There are not enough high SA servers around, which maybe part of the problem, but without alternative, what is one to do? Other than try your luck in 60-70 SA servers. And no, I have no interest in racing AI, I want to challenge myself against other people, not bots. Also can't afford to run my own server.

    I have SA of 96 or similar, have played the game since early access, have spent over 530 hours in game. So, for the most part, i'm pretty sure it's not me at fault. I love the driving experience, but it's just too toxic out there.
    I know, from a programming perspective, that it's impossible to apportion blame correctly, however I think there should be harsher penalties for poor, inconsiderate driving, a minor SA hit does nothing to discourage these idiots, many of whom don't have the good grace to apologise when they take one or several people out in T1 or whenever. Give them a 20 or 30 SA reduction if they are involved in more than one incident in a race, or something. It's just not working as intended.
     
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  8. xX-Chris-Xx

    xX-Chris-Xx Gamer

    The biggest Problem in Online and CP races is the Lack of Respect to others! There are a few guys around who show respect to others no question but this are to few all other go straiht carnag!
    Yesterday the best example was fighting whit a guy a third one think he is the king ramms me of and whants to tell me i made a misstake will upload vid of the scene as sone as possible!

    I'm in the Piggy Porsche!



    So who is at fault let the judging begin!
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2020
  9. It's hard to judge from this camera angle.
    The Aston is all over the place but the Piggy Porsche hit his rear end. So if there is someone to blame I'd go to put the fault to the guy in light pink ;)
     
  10. xX-Chris-Xx

    xX-Chris-Xx Gamer

    it's not the aston its the nissan who run the porsche of i (in the pink porsche) just hit the aston becouse the nissan hits me!

    But the biggest Joke was the reaction of the guy in the nissan he says "You where in a bad spot you have to protect your inside line".
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2020
  11. AndyK70

    AndyK70 Racer

    @xX-Chris-Xx imho the black and red car brakes too late. He was not alongside the pink Porsche at the break point. So I'd consider this a dive bomb. The pink Porsche drove normal racing line.
    It is ok to be opportunistic and take advantage of two battling in front of you, but the red and black car was in no position to try an overtake at this point.
     
  12. @xX-Chris-Xx I'm sorry for my misjudgement :(
    Rewatched it at my TV and I've to agree with @AndyK70 :)
     
  13. Nobody, Racing incident. You tried to slot in that small gap knowing he was there and you were braking on the outside line to start with. That's just everyone involved being too aggressive.
     
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  14. xX-Chris-Xx

    xX-Chris-Xx Gamer

    Where is this an Racing accident? i was more then 1 Car lengh in front should i let the door open and wait for him?BS he is simply causing a collision he exactly knows what he is doing. Everyone with an little bit of brain and respect would know that there is no point to overtake whitout an crash!Ore why you think i'm not attacking the Aston and pull back?
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2020
  15. Tim Wilson

    Tim Wilson Simracer

     
  16. Don't post a video then asking for peoples opinions if you get mad when people don't agree with how you see it.
     
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  17. Shooter80

    Shooter80 Racer

    Hard to say from the camera angles but @SilverSylphide has a point. The pink car started braking on the outside, then switched to the inside under braking, which is usually against the rules, so not something the red and black car would have been expected to predict and avoid.

    Granted the pink car had a right to pick their line through the corner, but considering how small the gap was, its understandable that the red and black car didn't expect it to move over.

    Its not clear cut either way.
     
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  18. AndyK70

    AndyK70 Racer

    What? Following the racing line is against the rules and not something to expect by a following car?

    Here at the 75m mark the two cars in front start braking and the other two cars following are nowhere near and by no means alongside or even overlapping:
    WAF01.jpg

    here the two cars in front are on their racing line (look at the dark rubber line on the track) and the red-black car dive bombs into the pink car:
    WAF02.jpg
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2020
  19. Goes To 11

    Goes To 11 Rookie

    It's fine to have an opinion but yours doesn't make any sense. I really can't understand how anyone would think it was the pink cars fault or just a racing incident. The black and red car clearly did not have any overlap before the pink car started to turn in. This is about as clear as it gets. How can there be differing opinions on this? It appears that After_Midnight was concentrating (at first) on the Aston in front so that is understandable. But other than that, how can this be misinterpreted as not being the black and red cars fault? The best you can say is that the black and red car misjudged the pink cars speed because the pink car pulled up to fall in behind the black and green car but that doesn't mean it's not his fault.
     
  20. Shooter80

    Shooter80 Racer

    @AndyK70 Yea, as I mentioned in my reply, its hard to say anything from just that camera angle, especially without having the pedal traces for each car. Its quite easy to watch a video from an elevated viewpoint, 10 times, while being able to slowmo or pause it, but everything in a race happens from a limited viewpoint, with very little time to make decisions.

    In a lot of ways when you get on the brakes (unless you braked early for various reasons, like being extra safe), you have already decided which line you plan to take, and how quickly you will be going at the apex, since you can't slow down any more than you were already planning to do. Because of that, there isn't a lot of scope for cars to do anything that wasn't wholly predictable on the brakes.

    It sometimes gets to a point when the car ahead has to concede that if they wanted to cover the inside/apex for a corner they should have positioned their car to claim it sooner than they had, and that trying to claim it past that point is putting their survival completely in the car behinds ability to slow down even more than they were already doing so, or faster than they are slowing down themselves.

    With regards the clip itself, it does look like the red and black car got back off the brakes a little, but that was at a point where they believed the pink car had conceded the inside line, at about the exact same time that the pink car decided it didn't want to concede the line and it tucked back in behind the leading car (presumably by braking a little harder/longer). From that it looks a bit like one of those situations where both or neither made a mistake, and it was just bad luck they both moved into the same part of track as each other.

    I'd either go for racing incident (both could have avoided it by being safer) or fault to the red and black car (it was the car behind) but its worth noting that this was the point immediately before impact, and the pink car was still moving left and at that point the red and black car was probably already slowing down as much as it could.
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    Last edited: Mar 23, 2020
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