Who's at Fault? - Discussing Racecraft and Incidents

This thread gonna blow up this time next week.

 

What are the lapping rules for multiclass. Like in WEC?

 

It happened to me again last night. I was leading a race, a guy kept bumping into me so I pulled off the track and just messaged him saying to please be careful and keep it clean. He then threatened to kick me out of the room LOL.
So I just left the room.
You can call it nonsense all you like, but it is true. Doesn't happen all the time.

 

So, you were in the lead and decided to pull aside and start chatting? And then the guy who inherited the lead from you, did the same?

You do understand that this again is not a plausible story right? It doesn't make any sense. There must have been other events that lead up to this. And as always, you are leaving these out.

 

Unfortunately Gt4s are not the problem im afraid .
This guys is my favourate:

 

That hand at the end. Frustrated guy strike again, it's crazy.

 

How I'd love for the game to be able to assess 'revenge' drivers and for it to insta-ban immediately from ALL servers for XX amount of time.

I despise those who ram just because you dare overtake them.

 

When you let a computer decide these things, you have to be prepared for the computer making mistakes. If you got banned from all servers for some time because a computer mistakenly classified you as a rammer, you'd probably be very angry.

 

Could we please come back to the topic of this thread and have such conversations in another thread?

 

Driver in the Lexus is a sore loser.

 

The other day I was on a spa server with not more than 4 users online, including me.
In quali, one of the others decided to overtake me in Blanchimont. As I was on a flying lap myself, I let him pass without blocking, but stayed on the throttle. He passed me on the outside but pulled in so early that I (already on the very left side of the track) pinched his back with my right front, resulting in the inevitable spin.
Two seconds later I got kicked from the server without further notice. Some people just should not get admin rights, I guess.

However, back to topic!

Last friday I had a race with my #35 Porsche at Bathurst. All went surprisingly nice until the #63 Lambo rear-ended me in Quarry.
Me: "WTF?"
Him: "Why you pull over under braking? DUDE!"

Here's my point of view: I think I was far enough ahead of him to take my own line. I've kept the car quite in the middle of Mountain Straight to block him off, then went slightly to left (before braking!) to adjust my line for Quarry.
At about 6 seconds into the video you see him heading for a space that neither is there nor has been there before. I don't even brake earlier than the laps before; the road coming from the left is my reference point.
As I see it, he simply overshot ist.

But let the jury decide.

 

He looks to have tapped you, sending you to the left just before the corner.
There is no gap there at all, and an overtake attempt here was never going to work.
Very bad driving from the Lambo....aweful.

 

Are you sure you didn't brake earlier and what was your pace on the prior laps?

Braking points as i can see them in the vid:
lambo (white) on the 100m sign
porsch (orange) a few meters behind the sign
optimal (green) between 100 and 50 but slightly closer to 50


If your pace was 2:01 - 2:02 then you certainly took the lambo by surprise. Compromising your entry by going semi-defensive is weird and didn't help for sure, but your choise.

It it's in the realm of 2:03 - 2:05, then it's a case of the Lambo completly overestimating himself.

 

Maybe I breaked some meters earlier than usual because I was not right on the ideal line, but definitely not on purpose. I avoid breaking earlier when someone's that close behind me, for obvious reasons.
But that's about my normal breaking point. (From the onboard view it's when the piece of tarmac starts on the left.)

Nah, I'm a slow fart. My best laptime is a low 2:05.
I just watched the replay of the Lambo's laps before; in lap 2 he braked at about the same mark, in lap 3, whilst defending against another car, he even braked way before the 100m sign.
So don't see any reason to be surprised by my breaking maneuver. Also he didn't complain about me breaking to early, but changing the line. But again: Even before I pulled over that meter to get a better corner entry (while he was still behind me), there was no gap he could possibly fit through.
Instead I think he was frustrated, because at the end of lap 2 he got a tap in the side (not by me) in The Chase and had to take the long way through the gravel, and was trying to make up positions a bit too optimistic.

 

right, it's 100% on the lambo driver then.

Your overall pace wasn't obvious from the replay alone, that's why i mentioned it.

 

Thanks for your analysis, @moeppling! Also, I might try braking later into Quarry the next time.

 

My simple opinion - Lambo fault.

To me, it looks like the Lambo fault.
Was this the first lap he was following you?
How quickly did he catch you?

If the lambo is alot quicker than you, he wanted to get the overtake before the mountain.
You weren't on the racing line, or covering the inside, just in the middle, which is frustrating for a following car.. its like choose a line dude.

I run 2:06's in Bentley and brake at the first tarmac part, but that is from onboard.
From the screenshot, it looks like you broke alot earlier than that, but its not an onboard.

Like I said... 100% lambo since he was following. He should have been patient and held back until after the mountain for the overtake if he was quicker than you.

 

I'm going conform with the others, it's all on the Lambo. He wants to pass you, he has the obligation to find a safe way for doing it. You wasn't driving erratic, so no complaining here.
As already mentioned, you could have defended better by taking the inner line, leaving enough room on the outer line for his car. He never had a chance to pass you on the outside, but would have had enough space when he overshoots not to kill you.
So not for his sake, but for your own, better decide which line you take a stick to it. Occupying the middle of the road just adds anger to the following driver and eventually he will try things taking out both of you.

 

Hehe, I was just following @Aristotelis' advice (@5:52 – the forum software ate my timestamp)

 

6:27 "But obviously to do something like this, you need to know that you are in a grid with people who know how to race."

Haha, Aris knew it in advance