Who's at Fault? - Discussing Racecraft and Incidents

I'm not trying to be a pain in the *** here, but did he defend against your overtake at t1, or did he just turn in on the racing line, because you were too far back to even attempt one? It kinda makes all the difference here.

 

Well... that's on you.
If you can't overtake on corner entry, brake earlier, leave enough space to the car in front that you are able to accelerate earlier and get him on the exit. GT3s are able to accelerate much earlier and better than GT4, but you have to have the space in between to compensate for the earlier acceleration.
If you are close to the GT4 at apex you can't take that advantage because you have to wait for the GT4 to accelerate before you can and GT4s are pretty good at accelerating and most even have good top speed.
Change your way of approaching those overtakes, adapt your driving. Practice will do.

 

Yeah, seems likely to lack skill and experience.

And having seen this in your video clip, I still think it's a combination of an inept bit of driving from him and you being further to the left than he expected (quite a lot left of the line). Or of course he could have done it intentionally, in which case all bets are off!

Do you have video footage of this? That would help us understand what went wrong. As the others have said, a good exit onto the straight combined with pulling to the right nice and early and it's simply all over at T1, unless he had way more straight line speed. He was after all being lapped, so having a lapping car alongside (or nearly so) on approach to T1 is a pretty clear signal.

 

Hmm, I thought @Rabbitsensei was lapping another GT3.

 

How do you see a defensive line there? He stuck to his racing line and you dive bombed in from several car lengths away. When he made contact it probably was, because he is not very experienced when it comes to close racing through corners and you did not give him the room a beginner needs. Sure, he should just have let you go and should not have retaliated under any circumstances, but I think the first contact is on you, because you are the faster and more experienced driver.

Please refer to the SRO flag rules here:
https://sro-esport.com/ak/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/SPORTING-CODE-SRO-E-Sport-Championship.pdf

I have chosen this document, because it explains clearly what is expected when under blue flag.
"Blue flags follow the SRO regulation: it is advisory only, slow/lapped drivers do not have to pull aside, they can stay on their line."

 

I think this dicussion is done here, some people dont even know or remember the initial clip and talk about Gt4s while it was a GT3 backmarker overtake. Assume it was a beginner driver while it was a race on the highest stint in the Competition servers.

 

Again, not to be a pain in the ***. But I'm trying not to make any assumptions here. I am actually trying to double check things with you, but you keep giving me unclear and evasive aswers at best if any at all.

I feel the video and your enclosed story do not show the backmarker doing anything wrong. So, tbh at the moment as far as the question "Who's at fault" here is concerned; based on the information you have given us, in my opinion it's you.

Also again, your divebomb is ofcourse no excuse for him taking you out like that at the end. I don't think anyone here would disagree with you on that.

 

Just show the previous 2 laps.

 

Can we just overall tone down the bUt SRO dOes it ThAt wAy ?

It's a 50 car endurance racing championship. Ofc you don't "police" lapped traffic it would be a nightmare.

You are a lap down, in a short race, in a game. Be a proper person and just gtfo. You're not that important.

 

To be honest there is a lot of nitpicking over what is a clear cut incident.
I don't think I can contribute anything else on this one.

 

Did you watched the video? He ended my race, wtf is there even to question??? Like why should i ever race a damn CP race ever again, when i just get taken out by some guy that is mad, after we make contact and like literally nothing happens to him or me. He drifted a little bit we both had probably 1 sec. of damage thats it and youre still trying to argue that its fully my fault?

Phils13 got the point:

 

I'm pretty sure the debate isn't about the guy taking you out at the end. Seems pretty clear who's at fault there.

I think you should always ask yourself, if you could have done things differently.

 

Eh?? Literally NOBODY has questioned that him ending your race was beneath contempt. It was the first collision that had raised some doubts, not the obvious take-out move afterwards.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that also literally NOBODY has said it was fully your fault. Best case scenario for him, it was partly on you, but even then he bears significant blame and probably most of it.

Yes.
Any time a noob ends your race, you may learn a little about how to handle the next one differently.
Many of them won't even know you are there at all. Others won't even realise that they are a lap down. Some of the ones that do know they are a lap down still have no clue that fighting a pass is illegal when being lapped.
You've mentioned the T1 door-closing incident and 2 or 3 of us asked to see how that had looked. Might be something to discuss there about racecraft, no?

 

Yes, you two are right. In this incident in my mind I mismatched the slow (lapped) GT3 with a GT4.
This takes nothing away from my suggestions how to overtake in a safe manner.
If you replace "GT4" with "blue flagged GT3" in my post, it still remains valid.

 

CP race today. Black Ferrari is one lap down in last place and has just come out from the pits. Im in the blue ferrari in 6th place.


Do you consider this to be a situation where he should have respected the blue flags?

 

Of course.

 

Black Ferrari driver has no idea what is going on. Most likely a clueless noob.

 

He had several opportunities to let you pass without losing much time and he was not in a fight for position.
So: Yes

 

Also he was clearly fighting him in the 2nd of the Gauche corners, while rejoining the track.

 

I love that type of player. Forces you to divebomb them because they're completely ignoring blue flags - then if/when you accidentally tap them they decide to deliberately take you out