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Who's at Fault? - Discussing Racecraft and Incidents

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by m_box97, Jan 15, 2020.

  1. sps_for_race

    sps_for_race Alien

    So you think, a car 2 sec. slower per lap should get a white flag than?
    Crazy.
     
  2. saurohd

    saurohd Gamer

    Sorry, I thought you mentioned the blue flag...:)
     
  3. AndyK70

    AndyK70 Hardcore Simmer

    #29 is at fault for not keeping his line.
    Defending by switching lines was too late, the other car was already overlapping and he surely got a spotter message "Car left!". Pulled over nonetheless and got spun.
    He shot himself into the foot.
     
  4. devil in me

    devil in me Racer


    29 executed a perfect pitmanouver on himself like a boss.
     
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  5. JanR

    JanR Gamer

    Maybe I understood you wrong (and maybe a bit off topic, sorry) - but for clarification:
    The white flag is not shown to the slow car, but rather to the cars approaching the slow car (which for example has rejoined the track after a yellow flag situation, but is still way slower than the others would expect it at that part of the track).
     
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  6. sps_for_race

    sps_for_race Alien

    Of course.
    Kept the answer too short.
     
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  7. Audun Sjøen

    Audun Sjøen Rookie

    Yes and no in my opinion, Audi is trying to squeeze into a gap that is starting to close, Honda is probably using ingame spotter, and that one is not to be trusted, it calls clear while car is still within its "reach". Honda should not have drifted towards the left, and he should be aware of Audi closing in, but Audi had the overview of the situation, and could easily have switched over to the right side.

    My opinion, not claiming to be right, but there is always at least two sides to an incident.
     
  8. devil in me

    devil in me Racer


    I dont see in this case two sides at all... the car behind gave enough time for the car ahaed to choose a line, and the car behind stick to its line. he doesnt have to move anywhere. the car ahaed needs to be aware ( and he was. he just tryed to block ), wich makes no sense at all in this situation. I dont see the Audi trying to squeeze into nothing at all. U dont need spotter,radar, relative.. u just need to be somehow aware of the cars around u. doesnt matter how. The problem its people don't understand that racing its not blocking or intervining in others cars lines.. car ahead failed a turn ( even if he didnt) if the car behind its catching u in a midle of a straight , there is only one thing for the car ahaed to do, pick a line a stick to it. Moving when the car behind its pretty much on top of u, its gona be your fault no matter what.
     
  9. Audun Sjøen

    Audun Sjøen Rookie

    I'm not claiming there's no fault on Honda side, however, with a bit of self-preservation the Audi could easily have avoided this. And that's my point.
    In racing there's always the aspect of self-preservation, and if you master that you'll automatically avoid alot of unnecessary incidents, and you'll become a better racer
     
  10. devil in me

    devil in me Racer

    u need to re look into the incident we talking about. I shouldnt even keep trying to explain something so obvious, but im stupid enough to give it another try. ( and im not saying i should be heard or anything, but some stuff make me think im from another alien world, that the obvious is different for me)

    After the hard left turn the car ahaed is on the right side of the track, coming into the small left kink he crossed to apex that kink( second mistake already) , with a car already very close behind, by this time the car ahaed NEEDS to know he is going to get passed.
    He apex the kink and went to the left again( another two mistakes), by this time the car behind moved once again ( after he already tried to look into both sides of the car ahaed) to the left of the car ahaed and by this exact moment they are side by side.
    And once again the car ahaed moves back into the left side of the track where there is one car already ( another mistake). By this point the car "behind" can only go into the grass or lift/brake. And if i put myself inside the car "behind" head i would have though something like " this idiot know i am here right? " and i would do the same he did, wait till the last moment for the other guy to realise i am there, because i can't be anywhere else..

    I would agree with u that some incidents both are to blame with one more than the other, but both could have avoid it. In this case as of course the car behind could have done something to avoid it, but in this case in particular for avoiding the incident he would most likely be better not even getting into a race. its not the kind of incident u blame the car behind by anymeans.. For him to avoid stupidity he needs to stop racing.
     
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  11. chksix

    chksix Hardcore Simmer

    Would like to see the cockpit view from the Honda. I suspect his side mirror was not showing the audi. The mirrors in ACC are rather bad IMO. It looked like he forgot the Audi was there and just started positioning for the next corner.
     
  12. I'm with 'Devil in me' on this one.

    Audi had a clear opportunity to pass and did nothing wrong. He had the right to be there as he was already starting his overtaking manoeuvre. The Honda should've left at least 1 car width.
    It's similar to pushing someone off track in a corner because he tries to overtake at he outside.

    Yes, both could easily avoid the accident, but Honda had everything to lose as he was going to fishtail himself.
     
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  13. miltipello

    miltipello Rookie

    As with a lot of these incidents, it's easy to say that one car could have chosen an action that may have avoided an accident, but really doesn't mean they should have to.

    Sure, the Audi could have eased off the throttle and avoided the Honda drifting back across the circuit, but the fact they collided is still on the lead car here. They opened up the opportunity with the poor exit on the straight, and made the decision to follow the racing line through the kink and drift to the right of the circuit. When entering this turn, albeit pretty minor, they should have been thinking about car positioning ahead of the long straight and where they wanted to be when the right turn approached at the end of it. They chose to allow the car to following the racing line and drift to the right of the circuit.

    At this point they should probably have held their line, or possibly drifted more centrally to make it more of a decision for the Audi behind; however, they seemed to panic and tried to squeeze the Audi and crucially did so too late. It's a move they may have gotten away with had they done it initially after exiting the turn, but then would have had to left the inside line open, and the Audi likely would have moved across to that side when they saw the original door close. The mistake was realising the Audi was making the move, and then trying to close a gap that couldn't be shut. Ultimately, this ended poorly for the Honda and hopefully they'll reflect on this in future battles.
     
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