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Your approach to car choice

Discussion in 'ACC General Discussions' started by Poguinhas, Jun 3, 2019.

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What's your approach to car choice?

  1. I nearly always drive the same car

    67.4%
  2. I rarely drive the same car for too long

    32.6%
  1. nrc689

    nrc689 Simracer

    Today i saw a YT video. A man posted a lap in SPA: 1.16.... My frustration is for understand that there are people very far from me. I can try all day but my setup capacity is a black hole. I can improve my drive but not my capacity to understand engeneering setup. So frustrated...
     
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  2. nrc689

    nrc689 Simracer

    Edit: sorry 2.16...
     
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  3. Poguinhas

    Poguinhas Alien

    Aris said the 2018 version is not very competitive. The EVO version that will come with the 2019 update is much better.
     
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  4. [ATF]Shanti

    [ATF]Shanti Simracer

    First run outs on Bentley,because it`s... a Bentley ;-)
    then Aston(design,sound!!)Merc,(best looking from behind)Lexus (Sound inside!!)
    Now try to understand Porsche i think i got an idea from the art to drive that..... (Insert what u ever want to!)
    the sound of older Lambos is Painful cant stand it
    never touched Japanese and Catalunya until now
    Thats it a basically "wrong build" satisfiys people worldwide since 70 years and win races till today high spirits,yeah!
     
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  5. henkjansmits

    henkjansmits Simracer

    Haha the Porsche Misano 2 fast slight curves and then slower 3/4 gear one is a death sentence, foot from throttle while turning slightly, instant-spin. It will take me some time to figure out. I like the Porsche but man it's risky. The aggressive setup must rely on racing the car in reverse after you've spun.
     
  6. R1-Limited

    R1-Limited Racer

    Not to mention when the turbo hits and all our light up and your pushed deep into the recaro and ya shift into 4th and all it wants to do is rip your head from its neck and oh the growl and spit of the exhaust
    Ya its what happens every time I get into the sons 991. I keep telling him the Scudera has nothing on the 991
     
  7. nimp

    nimp Racer

    Boatley can do 2.15s on aggressive preset in optimal conditions around spa. Setups really aren't that important to drive fast and the presets are already good. Apart from the easy stuff (tirepressures, brake bias) they mostly just adjust the car to your driving style.
    Dunno where people take the idea of the "magic setups" from. Today someone got downright hostile after I won a CP race leading by a minute, because "I only won cause of broken setup"...drove on base aggressive.

    I'd say if you are more than a second off-pace, you don't even have to bother with setups. Just take the time you'd waste worrying about that and put it into tracktime.
     
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  8. Thx1137

    Thx1137 Racer

    Just last night I tried each of the cars and created a short list. I did the best in the Honda, Porsche, Lamborghini and Nissan. The Honda felt fantastic to me and got close to my PB on Nuburgring really easily.
     
  9. nrc689

    nrc689 Simracer

    I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. I've never, never, never said that drivers are faster than me for setup. They are faster simply because they are better. But I'm also tired of hearing that everyone drives with presets. It is very "cool" to say that you are fast with presets. Unfortunately, however, there are tons of posts where people talk about springs, damper, differential, brake distribution ... but then they all drive with presets! It is obvious that if you put me on Hamilton's Mercedes with his setup I don't think I'll make his time, surely he gives me two minutes per lap. Ok? My frustration is that I have neither the time nor the desire to do: 1 click - 1 lap, another click - another lap. In the real races there are the drivers who lie down under the car with the screwdriver (Rip Niki Lauda) and those who talk to the engineers and say for example: "in T4 the car has too understeer", and the engineers know how to intervene. I just want to drive, it's my limit. I at full touch psi, tc, abs, fuel, rear flap ... simple things. Sorry the outburst is not against you but too many times I've seen anyone who dared to say that the setup helps attack.
     
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  10. I have for the most part spent my time driving the Lamborghini, but that Audi will dominate most races I think. Its just as fast maybe faster and more stable around the track in my opinion.
     
  11. Default

    Default Racer

    It depends what you're focusing on. If you're more towards experiencing a career then you probably want to stick to 1 car for the experience of being in that one team which uses that car. But if you're after competition and stick to 1 car only then you're hindering yourself by not exploring other options. You will never know whether you can go faster in another car because you never try.
     
  12. Achokaracho

    Achokaracho Racer

    You dont need a Magic setup.
    This guy compares all the cars in ACC on Monza and he uses only the agressive setup, without any changes.
    He drives times Around 1:47,xxx-1:48,xxx with all cars


    I always thought there was a magic setup, but it is not.
    Usually the skill decides.
    Most people, including me, make the mistake of already screwing the setup around before they can drive the track perfectly.
    I drive and drive and again and again I find here a few hundredths or half a second there.
    It is really amazing.
    I once knew a simracer with which I drove online together for a couple of Months, he told me: "Track knowledge brings seconds, a good set-up brings a hundredth!"
    And the guy was really fast
     
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  13. nrc689

    nrc689 Simracer

    Ok guys, I surrender! I will not return to this subject anymore because I see that we do not understand each other.
     
  14. Tribaljos

    Tribaljos Rookie

    Ferrari & Audi....just corresponding to my style of driving
     
  15. Achokaracho

    Achokaracho Racer

    I totally understand you
    I have the same problem.
    Too little time to drive and then make setup.
    But I tried it. I can do Monza pretty well.
    I started to change the setup, because the car is pushing like a disturbed, in the chicanes over the front axle.
    I tried and tried.
    But I never got it all away.
    Then, rather by chance, I braked once 10m earlier and bing, it has not pushed over the front axle.
    Then I watched replays of good and bad rounds.
    In the chase cam.
    Then I saw that I am usually a half or full vehicle width too far away from the apex.
    But in the cockpit it looked like I was going to hit him full.
    It costs all the time.
    At the moment I do not have any thoughts about setups.
    Do not waste your time with it, just enjoy driving.
    You will be faster by yourself.
    I came from a 1: 54, xxx to a 1:50, xxx, just because I got the CC rating and after each turn I saw what I got there for a feedback.
    As long as there is not every turn "perfect" I know that there is still potential, I do not exhaust.
    In my opinion that's the best thing about ACC, this feedback.
    I did not have that in any race simulation.
    This feedback has brought me more in the last 4 days than any setup work in the last 2 years.
     
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  16. Poguinhas

    Poguinhas Alien

    @Achokaracho has pretty much hit the nail in the head.
    People that say "oh, I need to change the setup for the McLaren because it has too much understeer on turn x", for example, more often than not don't understand setups. On ACC every car has custom setups per track, so if a car understeers in a given corner, that's probably because it is better that way. The Jaguar, for example, the first time I drove it it would just go straight no matter how much I turned the wheel, so I just started braking earlier and being patient waiting for it to turn, and it became one of my favourite and most competitive cars from early access.

    Aris has even said this on his post about the Huracan, for example: the car has some understeer to it, but if you try to fix it, it will most likely be slower.
    So more often than not, when people find that a car understeers or oversteers too much, it has more to do with their driving than the car or the setup itself.
     
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  17. Jerry Atrick

    Jerry Atrick Rookie

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  18. Jerry Atrick

    Jerry Atrick Rookie

    HI Aristotelis, I played with the brake settings for about a half hour, and finally it made a difference 261, this improved my time from 2:28.5 to 2:26.2 then after a few negative toe changes (thank you) and some rear end tweaks ( bum is still a bit flighty) I'm down to 2:24.1 Officially and 2:23.6 with a slight cut track.

    Now I've got no idea if these times are comparable to others of my age, but it is better than yesterday; and I owe it all to you! so thank you so much again.

    Regards Jerry.:)
     
  19. This definitely rings true to me. The feedback that ACC provides with the rating systems has been essential to helping me get more familiar with the cars and tracks so far. I still find myself typically using the same car but with the help of the CC feedback and feedback from the other ratings provide I've been breaking out of that funk.
     
  20. R1-Limited

    R1-Limited Racer

    100% accurate. people who can jump in any car real or not and drive the wheels off it are far and inbetween. IMO those who tout use defaults are fooling you and I will bet $5 that they lie about their "NON" setup. In the real world it is not click drive click drive, its real time downloads to a PC that is calculating everything on that car. When the Driver comes in the NURDs get to tuning. I ca do setups, I understand suspension, but to a point, that is when I go to my suspension guy and say, its pushing and feels like its drifting. The guy walks over click her click there and boom handles better.
    Real world case, my front was chattering under heavy braking (I am talking motorcycle) I figured I needed to bring some compression up and slow rebound down in the front. Uh NO was I wrong, instead my suspension guru, reversed what I did, adjusted the rear to allow the bike to squat under braking. he explained I was pogo sticking as I broke, front would dive and then rebound forcing the rear down then back again.

    So I am with you, setup for the Masses is a must. I work from the Base aggressive as setup-1, then start adjusting. Its slow for me, but there is a happy medium.
     
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