Progressive system penalty

More dirt on the tyres & and much, much longer is the simple way of a penalty ;-)

 

5sec throttle lift, goodbye, hope to never see you again.
Flagrules, yes please.
Worst cuts, like Monza and Imola chikanes = invisible wall. If it smashes a car once in a while by accident, so be it. It will stop the cuts no doubt.
As for penalties that does not involve brain analysis, use the same track boundaries as already used by the 5sec penalty, but just give 1 - 2 - 3 cutwarnings n´you're out (stopngo the first time, black flag the next).

This is for public servers, as leagues will punish bad driving anyway regardless of penaltysystem.

 

I've installed this:

http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/i...penalty-app-for-repeated-track-cutting.17852/

But yet to actually check it out properly. Fact is, it's obviously already possible, so can't see how something like what the op suggested or a more complex system is too far out of the question

 

This.

Just a correction: This should be allways used as an option by the server owner, and it's useful for league racing too, not only public servers.

Respecting limits of the track along with my idea of tolerance levels should be enough. But don't forget jump start, pit speed limit and yellow, blue and green flags

 

Stefano Casillo‏@KunosStefano
Thanks for the idea guys.I'll write up a blog post somewhere to recap all the options and the pro and cons for each option. keep 'em coming.

 

Stefano is the man!

 

iracing system. Pretty much what we have now, just without the silly throttle cut that can cause more accidents.

 

Depending on the car: breaking suspension when kurb hopping

 

You have perfectly summed up why the 5 second throttle cut is a terrible terrible idea. I actually do wonder if the devs even play online to see what the realities are of such a system. When I first played AC back in 2013 I instantly thought that the 5 second throttle cut would be a disaster for online play, its just illogical. Player cuts corner - gets his throttle cut, pack behind close in fast, crash / pile up ensues. I really can't see how anyone would consider it a good solution. Then again, the devs didn't implement pick up servers until the community kicked up a fuss about it, however credit to Kunos, at least they did actually make that change.

There needs to be a tiered penalty system. Not all crimes need the same punishment.

Tier 1; Outright Cutting of chicanes / straightlining track areas
- 1st Offence = Instant drive through
- 2nd Offence = Black flag, your race is over, car is removed from track after 30 seconds etc.

Tier 2; 4 wheels off track
- 1st Offence = Warning
- 2nd Offence = +5 seconds added to race time
- 3rd Offence = +10 seconds added to race time
- 4th Offence = + 30 seconds added to race time

For this to work Kunos would need to set up track cutting zones, mainly at chicanes and tight corners which are easy to cut.

 

this^^. add the time to the end of the race, still penalty but not affecting on track racing.

or/also as was mentioned put the owness on the driver to go off throttle for 3, 4, or 5, sec at some point before the end of the lap.
"they say you cut the track, you'll have to slow down and give back the time gained" sound familiar?

 

I still wonder why Wally's Pitlane Penalty App isn't taken into account yet with more interest ?

Cut detections based on Kunos's system, .... so not much to change in the system itself
But this app takes the following parameters into account:

A few lines of the app config file allows to make one's own quick idea:

Everything in there is aimed at making the difference between a real cut and an accident or a misdrive.

3 warnings and the 4th one results to a Drive Through, resetting the cut count to its start again when done.

Surely Kunos might add an automatic system: penalty not done = black flag and automatic return to pits ( as it is or was ?? in case of big crash and car on the roof on the track )

This system is IMO not too difficult to implement without asking too much change in the game and is perfectly imagined.

NB: other settings lines are in there of course:
number of warnings, number of laps to purge penalty, how many wheels offtrack, etc ...

 

That means everybody needs to have that app installed right? Personally i don't like very much to have a lot of 3rd party apps installed... Also AC needs a penalty system for pitlane speeding, false start, etçª and flags...

 

There should be a python API, server side only, where penalties could be applied to any driver. It has been proved that 3rd party apps can detect track cut situations, it may be enhanced to fine tune that detection and the kind of (track cutting, off track, etc.). Then anyone could decide which app and rules to apply on their own server.

 

Let's not forget, that whenever a blackflag is issued, if not removed from the server, at least car should not be able to reenter from the pits. Which is why pickup-mode also needs to keep new players in pit if they joined a session under race.

 

Penalty (Drive through) when:
- 4 wheels off track
- Exemption: no penalty if you got "shot" (=contact at the "rear part" of the car with another car, "rear part" means everywhere behind the front axle...).

This would be an easy solution. Still not perfect but better than actual solution...

Edit: there could be another exemption: no penalty if there is no gain of position and time (= average lap time)

 

I wonder also why Stefano wrote this:

If his cuts results into time penalty's like 10s per cut, i wouldnt rage anymore.

 

What I meant is ...Kunos might take example of this Pitlane Penalty app in order to implement this kind of system in AC, and why not ....only for races ....
And of course create a server setting side for it.

For Hotlap, just keep the already existing 5 seconds penalty or replace it by the much used 'This lap is not taken into account" system for a cut.

That should not be too difficult to implement this in game without having to change the game bases for this.

 

They just need to specify areas, where cutting is possible and where not. Additionally, i'd prefer a flag system too.

 

If I'm not wrong, there's already something in AC's plans for flags. !? ... I kind of heard somethign about that, but I don't remember where and when.

 

For hotlapping, id much prefer the system used in the F1 games and GT, just make the lap invalid. Since i'm still just learning to drive quickly, I get frustrated when i run wide, then the game just cuts all throttle, it takes me out of my flow. If i were just able to carry on, with an invalid lap, i think id be happier.

In races obviously you cant just invalidate your lap, that doesnt help anyone. I think corner cutting must be penalised, probably a pit lane penalty or time penalty, i dont really mind.

Anytime off track and you gain positions must also be penalised.

Going wide shouldnt really be punished, since you lose time anyway. If you do exceed track limits and gain a position, again just a time penalty or something would suffice. That should also stop people getting penalties for someone hitting them.

Fairly simple, i think.