How is the laser-scan size incorrect at S-Schumacher?

Hi chaps,

ok, the title is more a joke, but i really dont understand this and how this is possible:

You are really proud that every track is laser scanned. I love the fact so far.


Kunos also said, that the Nuerburgring GP is laserscanned too. How it comes than, that in 0.7.5 patchnote:

- Fixed Concrete size at S-Schumacher, Nurburgring GP

If the track would be laser scanned, than it wouldnt be possible to code a wrong size at a corner. Where am i wrong thinking?


Seen here or in the patch notes:
http://www.virtualr.net/assetto-corsa-early-access-beta-0-7-5-released


Im not hating at all - just wondering

Cheers

Mark

(PS: Just 12 days till i can ride my ///M3 again - im so happy haha)

 

After you laserscanned the track it isnt magicly is done in 3D.
If the virtual surface needs to be place manually on the scanned data, its clearly the case.
So even the data is there and correct there is still the chance to make a mistake in the process.
If its about the track itself, maybe the patch note adresses a part outside the actual track. Edit: or something just visually like a texutre.

Whatever im no expert, but I think so.

 

Not sure about that one. But you could of worded the title of the thread a lot better.

 

I think calling the dev's "liars" is a bit excessive, no?

 

God...
Guys please read, just a joke.

I changed the topic for you sissis

 

Plaid is absolutely correct. I work with scan data on a professional basis. It easy to think laser scanning is a magic bullet. Nothing could be further from the truth. All the scan does is provide accurate source data that still has to be interpreted and modeled up by the artist. It's arguably more time consuming and difficult than traditional modelling, but it produces a more accurate end result - eventually. Mistakes are still easy to make. Imagine doing a join the dots puzzle, but with several million points in 3D space and you get the idea how easy it might be to put a line in the wrong place.

 

Okay, i get it then
Thanks guys.

Additional Question:
Does the laser scan also gets Bumps or the "plates" found on the nordschleife for example?

Im wondering because in Forza 4 (I know, not a SIM) the GP course is very very bumpy on the little straight, 2 Corners after the Schumacher-S, 1 Corner bevor the Long Counter Straight.
I was told that this is accurate because the track is very very bumpy there in real.
I drove it 2 Years ago with my Toyota MR2 Turbo but i cant remember.

 

Yeah the laser scan will pick up bumps, think its accurate to a centimeter or so. Can't remember exactly how accurate but more than enough

 

It'll pick up bumps no problem. It'll pick up coins and cigarette buts if it's fine enough. It just depends on what you are scanning and how accurate you need it to be really.

 

I wouldn't call them "liars", that's a very strong term. However I am curious how discrepancies like these are made. Laser scanning is supposed to have a 1cm accuracy (I think), so to miss a kerb, and a massive gravel trap... I dunno, it's kinda odd. Especially when you look at the building issues and misplaced grandstands, I mean to me that kind of stuff doesn't really matter all that much, but to some people it might.

 

There are a number of different laser scanning methods, software, and equipment. It just depends I guess.
~Bailey

 

has that part of the track changed much in the last few years? I thought I read that with Nurb GP (and maybe Mugello) some stuff was carried over from Ferrari Virtual Academy. Maybe that has something to do with it?

 

Yes, it depends when the track was scanned.

 

Nothing has changed for years at these locations. Those Nurburgring kerbs were installed some time between 2002 - 2007. Even if it was scanned in 2010, the scan should have picked them up.

 

exactly same point of view

laser scan is great, gives you additional layer of accuracy , but at the same time, you take longer to do it, because you make sure it's accurate, and as always, you can make mistakes

the biggest mis-conception is that they scan the track, but that's what you see, and not also completely on what you drive as well, visual mesh needs to be done from scratch, since scanned data is way to heavy, and the physics collision mesh can be used from the scan, but it still needs to be simplified a bit

here is a nice video of work-in-progress, other companies might use different techniques

 

Laser scanners create point clouds, a 3d designer still has to assign and arrange polygons etc as normal to create the environment. The cloud will be correct, the designer however is human ergo capable of error, it happens all the time with games. Hence having beta/early access testers. Liar is a bit harsh for a geometry snafu

 

With all these critics of kunos over minor details, I'm really looking forward to all the flawless mods people will be creating Although I wonder thinking about it, if some of the harshness in the varying forums comes from the moniker 'Early Access', people are accustomed to betas being buggy and unfinished, maybe to some early access implies a greater level of completion? Or am I forgetting that this is the internet..

 

modded content will of course come with mistakes too, because it will have probably even less testing than what kunos has done

every person who understand a bit how games are made accepts this and has no problem with that,
if someone expects finished game with early access, well, it's his fight

and this is the Internet after-all, where everybody knows everything, but hasn't done anything

however, let's not say that all critique is coming from people who don't know anything, there is lot of valid points here and there, and while Kunos does their job well, they are still only human

"early access - it's not for everyone"

 

Jesus christ - bros that was just a joke, calm down!!

I really know what a early access is and i appreciate it very much, i play AC 20-40h a week.
I also pointed out 3 Bugs / improvments and created topics so i guess im useful for kunos.

And again, it was just a fck*** joke with thay lair thing, i even pointed it out in the first sentence of the first post....

 

they released this pic on fb, thats what they got i think
but nürburgring seems to be from fva game, so dunno how accurate this was.