Isi released not licence content, why kunos cant?

ISI just released not license content (NASCAR) http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/26475-rFactor-2-Build-1008-Now-Available-(thread-does-not-contain-stock-car-link)?p=387238&viewfull=1#post387238

Download and install the "National Stock Car Racing 2015" mod. This contains many rules settings geared towards stock car racing.

Screenshots http://rfactor.net/web/rf2/screenshots/

So, as I understand this is not official mod from ISI

May be Kunos can release some cars without the license? Like an example Pore (Porsche) GT3 Car

 

As I understand it that mod just has rules for racing, which don't require any license. If they called it a Nascar mod, they would be sued. There is nothing legally stopping Kunos from releasing a bunch of fantasy cars, but this is a simulation. I am not sure how the laws work regarding cars that look and perform like real cars but are called something different work, but if Kunos released a Porsche and called it that they would be sued. I doubt Kunos wants to release knock-off cars, otherwise they would have done it instead of spending all of that money on licensing.

 

So ISI released NSC (in real life Nascar), Kunos can release Pore (in real life Porsche)? It is an option if the license is too expensive or impossible to get. Formula A in pCars, NSC in ISI... I guess Kunos can do it too

 

Well kunos can and will do what they want, the generally feedback is that fantasy stuff is a little frowned upon especially if its "official content" furthermore this fantasy stuff would have to take priority over the countless licensed stuff they currently have which would be silly to ignore. kunos has the licenses to some real jems, i wouldnt be a fan of a fake car taking place of that even if its for a porsche or something like that. It just seems out of place, i dont care if rF2 does it or GSCE or iracing, i dont care who does it, it just seems wrong. great way to save money though

 

It is just a possibility to have more content when there will be nothing to release...

I guess ISI has no money or possibility to release official content... so they started to convert everything from rF1 and now creating not license mods for rF2. But regular player dont really care I think... You can call it Pore and everybody knows that it is Porsche...

 

I personally think it has to do with the standard you set for yourself as a company.

If you want to make cars as realistic as possible, you're going to need details... a lot of details. Details most (probably all) manufacturers wont give you unless you buy the license. An alternative for this could be contacting a race team, but again, without the license I doubt the manufacturer of the car will be very happy with teams handing out certain information, which puts them at risk of the wonderful world of lawsuits we live in.
Making "fantasy" content is fun and all, but that's something modders can do just as good these days, so I'd rather see the companies stick to the licensed content and leave the rest to the community.

 

Thank you for your point... I never thought about it... that license gives not only the name of the car, but also provides the data from manufacturer, to make the car realistic as possible

 

I'd like to see an oval in AC, maybe Daytona with the road corse also available.

I'm generally not for unlicenced content but a generic NASCAR type car would be interesting maybe. The dev's have said that including oval racing would be a lot of work though.

 

Anyone knowing what a "Fabcar" is...? LOL Its a certain license that currently is not available, and so some software studio built a Fabcar 935 instead.- Looks like the other thing, sounds like the other thing, probbaly drives like the other thing - but is not called like the other thing.

Its the reason why we have the RUF instead of a certain other brand.

Said studio does like this with their upcoming open-wheeler classes as well. They will add three, maybe even four classes of open wheelers, all of them mimicking Formula-1, -2 and -3 from the real world. Just that it does not get called Formula-1, -2 and -3. The method has some advantages:

You must not spend a lot of money for just a brand name and a word written under an emblem.

You can design a car and make it look and sound like you think the thing in reality always should have looked like from day one on.

You can nevertheless copy the real thing as closely as you want in behaviour, looks and sound, if that is what you want. Just as long as you do not put the real emblem on it.

I think that is the sound thing to do, especially if some brand has excessive pricing policies for its licenses. In the end, its free advertising for them.

That is why said other software title has a mix of fantasy cars mimicking real cars, and officially licensed cars.

 

If we are even struggling to get DRS rules ... let alone full oval rules

 

Screenshots of Nascar mod from ISI http://rfactor.net/web/rf2/screenshots/

 

Sometimes it does, sometimes not. It doesn't guarantee anything.

 

yeah i remember one of the devs talking about that a while back, someone said the pagani huayra uses the active aero code from the real car, its odd that the assetto huayra has aero a lot more active then say forza, pcar or granturismo, its like they use some boolean on or off system. Curious as to how AC can do this but those multi million AAAs cant or choose not to.

 

From what I remember the Huayra in AC didn't have the active aero (or at least not as realistically) but drove like **** because of it. So in order to make it drive right they implemented the active aero code. Games that don't focus on trying to simulate as accurately as possible using real data can mess with numbers in other places to try to get it to behave how they want.

When I drove the Huayra the first time it already had active aero, and that transpired before I started following AC development or playing it very much. I can't remember who said that so don't take it as being absolute truth, although the thing about data in other games is true regardless of whether the bit about the Huayra development is.

 

Because they can't be arsed?

 

Pretty much yeah.
When they received active aero data and put that into AC the car was undrivable/was driving nothing like a real thing. So instead what most of the devs would do - put random numbers to make it drive good and release, they decided to make the physics for active aero parts.

 

Kunos already has experience of non-licensed content through NetKar Pro and the effect of adding licensed content to that title in the form of the Fiat 500. The result of that experience is Assetto Corsa and its fully licensed content.

IRacing had the option of non-licensed stock cars or the NASCAR license and they chose the license. The non-licensed option may seem like a better deal but iRacing are not stupid. I'm sure if ISI could afford the NASCAR license they would get it, but they've made it clear they have very little money for licenses, so they really don't have the option.

 

If you're talking about the Huyara active aero anecdote, I remember that from an actual interview of either Marco or Stefano. So, I pretty much trust that one.

 

It is funny to me that the game that a handful of self proclaimed experts have decided is the last word in realism doesn't have laser scanned tracks or licensed content.

 

Having licenses or laser scanned tracks doesn't make your game any more realistic.