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Low speed spin getting back to track

Discussion in 'PlayStation 4 Discussions' started by MartyBook, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. MartyBook

    MartyBook Simracer

    When I spin out onto the grass or gravel off track, having come to a complete stop, even being really gentle on the gas with the merest throttle input seems to end in a near 360 spin trying to get back to the track at low speed.

    Yes it's a sim but I don't believe you should spin quite that easily on dry grass, and gravel or sand traps should pretty much stop a spin dead at low speed. Seems to be a particular issue at Imola for some reason.

    If only I could check the PC sections, I could see if this question has already been asked / resolved hashtagjustsayin
     
    MartyBook, Aug 27, 2016
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  2. Greg7272

    Greg7272 Gamer

    Yeah the control of the cars on grass needs sorting. The understeer is unreal. Of course you expect very little grip but even at a slow speed my t500 is unresponsuve when off road. No turning. Very hard to get back on road. If you accelerate, as you said, it just spins. It happened to me earlier and i just got up and walked away. Lol. This game needs a decent patch soon. V soon. Great physics tho.
     
    Greg7272, Aug 28, 2016
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  3. L2D Godzilla

    L2D Godzilla Racer

    I tend to agree with this as I noticed with the GTR GT3 car in the Nurburgring special event. I know the car is acutally rear wheel drive but touching the grass and even some corners that have camber seem to create massive oversteer or simply spin. I then took notice of speed to reassure myself I wasn't going faster than I visually recognised and I was actually going slower(under 60km/h) than I epxected and off throttle still losing control/oversteering on corners I could take at higher speeds in my real Ford Transit van. Something is slightly off but only just.
     
    L2D Godzilla, Aug 28, 2016
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  4. TheGT500

    TheGT500 Racer

    Yep, I agree the off track grip model needs tweaking. I can understand the AC Cobra will be a pig to control on grass, but a 4WD car such as the Audi R8 shouldn't be doing donuts under light to medium throttle opening !
     
    TheGT500, Aug 28, 2016
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  5. saeidj

    saeidj Gamer

    Every sim game is the same, other than it is actually realistic that you will spin on the grass with the huge amount of torque these cars have even with a slight throttle , it is also like that to not let people abuse the track limits by running wide or use grass to widen the corner.
     
    saeidj, Aug 28, 2016
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  6. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    It helps to give a car for example here. But in general the tyres get dirty when going off track, which lowers the grip drastically for a few meters. But even more important: when you spin, your tryres are heating up. Dependent on the spin, car, torque and tyre temperatures you can easily get 140-200° C on your rear tyres after a spin. An overheated, dirty rear tyre won't let you go on easily, nor in real life or AC.

    The worst situations will be when you are in a high power RWD car without traction control on Soft or Supersoft slicks. The chances are high that you overheat the rear by driving, then spin due to the resulting loss of balance and overheat them even more due to spinning. Try to avoid any splip during the recovery, be it on the gravel or track. You should be ok after a few slower corners.
     
    Minolin, Aug 28, 2016
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  7. svenvangent

    svenvangent Alien

    Good point
     
    svenvangent, Aug 28, 2016
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  8. MartyBook

    MartyBook Simracer

    Agree with everything you say but it's like driving on ice. Definitely something not quite right
     
    MartyBook, Aug 29, 2016
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  9. Rudski

    Rudski Alien

    I love this clip :) Check it out for an idea about grip levels.

     
    Rudski, Aug 29, 2016
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  10. gregack

    gregack Racer

    You all have to practice more;)

    Sorry, but I don't believe you. What car did you drive? Some 500+hp monster or an Abarth? Learn to avoid grass, that's what racedrivers do.

    GT3-cars have factory-TC for a reason! There are 12 different TC-settings depending on tyres, grip-level, degradation etc. Make use of it.
    Also: Learn to avoid grass and learn to drive properly. The physics on PC and consoles are exactly the same and I personally never experienced those "problems".
     
    gregack, Aug 30, 2016
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  11. Minolin

    Minolin Staff Member KS Dev Team

    Yes because you are still in the simulator mode. We tend to abusing the virtual car, comfortably sitting here in our living rooms. Imagine you just spun a 500k € car on a real race track - pretty sure you'd have no problems with a smooth and cautious recovery even if the physics would be 100% equal. Not that I say AC is 100% perfect, especially in corner case situations like offtrack (actually you have too much grip there) - but it's credible that you shouldn't have more than 50% throttle on a strong car with overheated, dirty rear tyres.

    But again, that's also a question of the car. Modern M3 with traction control? Not a problem. Turbo-lag F40? Lol even tough with perfect conditions.
     
    Minolin, Aug 30, 2016
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  12. TeKnO-_-91

    TeKnO-_-91 Racer

    solution = dont get into a situation where your on the GRASS OR GRAVEL! The track is for the racing part. Lol. Reactions can help also
     
    TeKnO-_-91, Aug 30, 2016
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  13. MartyBook

    MartyBook Simracer

    You know what. I give up. Whatever people.

    So sick of the ZOMFG NOOOB responses on here to everything. If you're a console gamer you seem to be fair game to it on here and it's genuinely depressing to see it heading down the same road as the dirt rally forum in this respect.
     
    MartyBook, Aug 30, 2016
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  14. Ace Pumpkin

    Ace Pumpkin Alien

    Even the dirt rally guys told you you need to improve on your driving? Well then you got something to think about me thinks ;)
     
    Ace Pumpkin, Aug 30, 2016
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  15. MartyBook

    MartyBook Simracer

    Yeah hahaha slow clap, good one.
     
    MartyBook, Aug 30, 2016
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  16. dermonty

    dermonty Hardcore Simmer

    We should remember, AC is not an Offroad Simulator. We race on tarmac. The goal is not to end up in the grass. And I would rather see KUNOS working on major problems and not wasting man hours to simulate the perfect grass physics (where I don't drive... mostly..) Don't step on the gas like a mad man and you are fine with going back on track.
     
    dermonty, Aug 30, 2016
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