'realistic' track surface setting.

The 'realistic' surface type setting would automatically pick the surface type depending on the track and type of event. So for example, if you start a race in Monza, the surface will be green. If however, you start a hotlapping session there, it will be set to fast, because it assumes that the track will have been rubbered in. A track like Nordschleife would be a slow or old surface, and a drag strip optimal.

More importantly, and unlike the existing surface types, this realistic setting should not introduce randomness, so hopefully sites like RSR will use it in place of optimal grip for every single track and maybe we can start seeing more variety online.

 

All I know is that we need a standardized, authentic to reality surface setting that RSR accepts.

I hate doing what could essentially be times very close to world records, but not, because I'm running slow or green in sub-optimal weather. Clear day and Optimal feels like crap too, but all the records are set there.

I'd support this as long as it's realistic to the surface and RSR accepts it and we forget Optimal for world record rankings, like we forget anything that's not "pro" preset for world rankings.

 

well optimal is default, so if you don't mess with it, it won't affect your laptimes

it would be great if when you have full on race weekend, the grip will be getting better and better. Green on Friday practice, Slow on Saturday qually up to optimal for Sunday's race

 

Hotlap mode in game should set the track to optimum with 26 degrees temp or whatever optimum temp it; this should be the only mode that records times for RSR (or better yet, an ingame hotlapping leaderboard)

Until we get fully dynamic weather, along with multiple grip levels per track, there will never be a 'realistic' mode; and don't hold your breath waiting for those things to happen cause it is going to be a while, if ever.

 

i there there are few enough official tracks that kunos could set this up. from what they know of each track (a lot more than us) set a grip level & temp. idk ive been thinking about it as well. i dont personally care about RSR but if those who use it think itd be a benefit, great; a side effect is it should reduce the # of videos posted where half the comments are complaining its not realistic bc grip is optimal, tires are sticky supersoft etc

 

My gripe is not that hotlap mode doesn't set the conditions to ideal, my gripe is that I can't pull off competitive times in realistic conditions. I want the near-perfect run that I do in realistic conditions to become the world record because it was a better run than what others could pull off. I don't wanna drive in Optimal to even have the possibility of doing that because Optimal on the Nordschleife is all wrong.

One standard, accepted, realistic setting that is the only one taken into account when looking at times is my dream. A setting where I can feel good driving, be in a realistic environment AND have my times count.

 

Well it would be more realistic, wouldn't it (in regards to uniform grip levels)? Isn't that a good thing?

 

You can't have a realistic setting and also a level playing field for hotlapping. A track with 91% grip yields a different lap time than a track with 91.2% grip.

Who said it wouldn't be a good thing?

 

Ah, right, I forgot rubbering in over time. That indeed causes problems.

Capping the track at that grip level would fix the problem though, when in hotlap mode. Driving is realistic, but conditions are even.

 

RSR could simply discard times over a certain grip level. People can and do cheat even now, so I don't see how that would be an obstacle.

 

I imagine this is hard for RSR to make such restrictions. I mean, rsr ranks are sorta like a competition, and like in every type of competition people will use the best settings that they can get out of what's allowed. Optimum, 26ºc, pro assists; are the standard for the rsr ranks. Then what makes the difference between each rank is the personal driving skills and knowledge on how to setup a car to give you the best on a certain track.
But you can post lap times to RSR under any assists and track settings you want, there is no restriction for that, except if you are posting for Pro ranks which use a standard set of rules.

Imo, there is no other way around. You need to forget competitive ranks for a while. Not every lap you do in practice, hotlap, race, multiplayer has to be recorded to RSR, I mean.. even if you want to record it there, don't be bothered if you're using green surface and 15ºC. You'll improve those lap times in case you use the rsr standard settings.

Just enjoy the game with whatever assists/track weather you want, otherwise if you think too much on posting the best lap time possible on rsr ranks, you're never gonna enjoy what the game offers in diversity. And is quite boring to drive in sunny weather with 26ºC and optimum all the time.. Diversify the settings, and also use road tyres on cars that have them. All these different ambient temps, track surface, tyres, setup changes will give you different force feedback on the wheel, for me slicks on optimum surface and 26ºc has become immensely boring and too uniform ffb.

 

Your capped figure could be the highest level of grip that you would reasonably expect in each track. That way, even if you start a race weekend the track would rubber in during practice, according to the track-specific rate, until it hit the cap. Not ideal, but infinitely preferable to driving all tracks with drag strip levels of grip.

Yes, RSR is a competition, but they do restrict certain things that would be unrealistic (ie. setting damage to 0%), so why not grip levels as well?

I understand what you mean, but right now I don't use RSR at all, because as you said optimum conditions are incredibly boring and just feel wrong, especially on Nords. With more sensible levels of grip I could at least occasionally enjoy posting times.

 

I haven't really messed with other settings other then Optimum for exactly this reason, i like to compete and see my times on RSR, i like a leveled playing fied, and like i already made a rant once, i hate these different surface types cause it splits the community.

So what is Optimum in the end, is it something that can be reached over a few laps when setting to "green" or something?

 

Delete RSR , forget about lap times , choose servers that use grip levels lower than fake (optimal) and enjoy the game.

 

Deleting RSR might be a bit harsh, but don't be afraid of turning it off every now and then. Getting draft in an MP server already ruins the entire integrity of a hotlap board to me, but it is a shame that the only servers that are populated are almost exclusively using optimum grip.

 

Nords with green track, temp down to 18C, that's the most immersive simracing I've had in years. Optimum does feel arcadish when you get used to lower grip.

 

I haven't even activated RSR in half a year because I don't enjoy hotlapping on Optimum. I put out times close to what the WR is on Optimum + best tires, so I'm assuming the proper conditions will take away the 1.5 sec - 2 sec of time difference that I get on 10c/slow, so I don't need to post times cause I know I do good times. The point is, though, that for one I have no proof at all of my claims, because it's not documented anywhere, cause I hate Optimum/26c.

It's not so much an ego thing as it is splitting the community up as has been said. I like the track grip settings, but I don't like how you can choose unreasonable settings.
IMO having tracks have their own custom grip levels, with the best being a normal rubbered in track, would be really ideal. Anything worse would be things like dusty or an artificial very worn pavement setting like old. Some tracks would be capped to old and slow, too.

That way we would get rid of this problem entirely, by having a realistic driving setting be the track's cap for grip. You could run a lower grip in races for example to simulate getting the track rubbered in, but having the track rubbered in would be like at any trackday event that spans multiple days. Not like driving on a warm dragstrip.

Tracks like Trento Bondone would be capped to "Old" and could not improve if the track settings allow it, for example. This should be handled in the tracks, not the UI.

 

I think it was Aris who said here on the forum that "optimal" will never happened in real world.
If i didnt missunderstand your question?

I used optimal (20-24 i think?) for a good while, went down to fast, green (use this 50-50 still) or else some of the lower settings, preferebly old. I would love to use RSR but somehow it just feels wrong to be so low on the leaderboard when its not in the same conditions. Im not sure that I would climb so high in the leaderboard anyway but its not even fun to try to climb, for the reasons i typed above.

 

My thoughts are the same as above.

I mean yeah, right now I do minimum top 20 times on slow/10c/fog, but it's not physically going higher, pretty much ever. So I don't even bother. There should be a possibility to be number 1, and that possibility becomes a reality when the playing field is even.
Right now the only way is Optimum + 26c.

 

Obviously it is, are you daft ? It's hotlapping, everyone in perfect conditions and that's it. Fastest is, well, fastest.

If you want to hotlap, use that, otherwise stop complaining and drive for fun.