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Generic How to get a proper third person view and a request to the devs

Discussion in 'Console Lounge' started by SlimCharles, Jul 18, 2017.

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SlimCharles Alien

Why Kunos should add a third person view camera? Because, appart from a sim, it can also be a racing game enjoyble for arcade or pad racers (or what the heck, whoever whats to race with the third person view).

And if it is such a problem for the "sim integrity" of the game, then let Kunos add it only on consoles.

Console players mostly play with pad. Happy console players -> Happy Kunos.

God, I just cant understand why some pleople dont want others to enjoy the game with something that wont take almost any time from the team.

Epistolarius said: ↑

I guess they could implement a slider to influence how much the view is 'swaying' in third person view, some arcade games have that iirc. I think that'd answer a lot of the complaints about that camera view.
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More than a slider, an option to eliminate any movement of the camera so the result would be what I got with the FOV app.

Because the movement of the camera is wrong per se: it moves related to the inputs so you move to the right and it moves to the right and then slowly centers itself. It is impossible to control the car if you loose it because that view doesnt give you any information of how the car is reacting.

Like I said before, in other games like Driveclub the movement of the camera is related with oversteering, so it works like a visual force feedback.

I didnt ask for that because the team is busy enough to work on that kind of third person view. What I said or what you said of the slider (but allowing to eliminate completely the movement of the camera) would be much easier and would work perfectly fine; like I showed on the videos it gives you good information of how the car is reacting (it's basically GT5 and 6 camera).

SlimCharles, Jul 18, 2017

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Ace Pumpkin Alien

Epistolarius said: ↑

We already have it in the sim.

I don't need it, I don't think a sim should be driven in third person view and I said above that implementation of specific features shouldn't be expected for it (I don't think Kunos cares much about it either but I don't know of course). However, it is already implemented, it's a basic feature basically every (sim) racing game has, it's useful for recordings (no F5/F7 camera on console either so it's useful for checking replays of incidents too), and a slider for the sway wouldn't be something entirely new to implement.
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Yeah, got you.
Just one question: would you drive in it as comparably as with a reasonably setup, given a realistic FOV?

Ace Pumpkin, Jul 18, 2017

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ppbucko Hardcore Simmer

This is a first for me, I'm actually coming down on the side of the pc brigade. It's supposed to be a sim, a point everyone seems to agree on, so surly you should be sitting in the drivers seat, or pushing it bonnet view. 3rd person cam or chase cam should only be used for recording purposes. Same as pad settings, do you drive a car with a pad and sitting on the roof or do you sit in a seat looking out the windscreen and use a wheel and pedals. This game supposed to be a sim, so that's driver view and a wheel.

I do see where your coming from though to get more people playing it.

ppbucko, Jul 18, 2017

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Ace Pumpkin Alien

SlimCharles said: ↑

Why Kunos should add a third person view camera? Because, appart from a sim, it can also be a racing game enjoyble for arcade or pad racers (or what the heck, whoever whats to race with the third person view).

And if it is such a problem for the "sim integrity" of the game, then let Kunos add it only on consoles.

Console players mostly play with pad. Happy console players -> Happy Kunos.

God, I just cant understand why some pleople dont want others to enjoy the game with something that wont take almost any time from the team.

More than a slider, an option to eliminate any movement of the camera so the result would be what I got with the FOV app.

Because the movement of the camera is wrong per se: it moves related to the inputs so you move to the right and it moves to the right and then slowly centers itself. It is impossible to control the car if you loose it because that view doesnt give you any information of how the car is reacting.

Like I said before, in other games like Driveclub the movement of the camera is related with oversteering, so it works like a visual force feedback.

I didnt ask for that because the team is busy enough to work on that kind of third person view. What I said or what you said of the slider (but allowing to eliminate completely the movement of the camera) would be much easier and would work perfectly fine; like I showed on the videos it gives you good information of how the car is reacting (it's basically GT5 and 6 camera).
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Because you can't enjoy a sim with simcade settings, simple as that. It just won't work...

Ace Pumpkin, Jul 18, 2017

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Ace Pumpkin Alien

ppbucko said: ↑

This is a first for me, I'm actually coming down on the side of the pc brigade. It's supposed to be a sim, a point everyone seems to agree on, so surly you should be sitting in the drivers seat, or pushing it bonnet view. 3rd person cam or chase cam should only be used for recording purposes. Same as pad settings, do you drive a car with a pad and sitting on the roof or do you sit in a seat looking out the windscreen and use a wheel and pedals. This game supposed to be a sim, so that's driver view and a wheel.

I do see where your coming from though to get more people playing it.
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I'm with you here, but it's not about what you should do, it's about what works.

Ace Pumpkin, Jul 18, 2017

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ppbucko Hardcore Simmer

Another point, can you name any game that's exceptional to play on a pad and wheel. A/C is exceptional on wheel, average on pad. P cars is better on a wheel than a pad, forza is better on a pad "for the mass market" only average on a wheel.

ppbucko, Jul 18, 2017

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Ace Pumpkin Alien

ppbucko said: ↑

Another point, can you name any game that's exceptional to play on a pad and wheel. A/C is exceptional on wheel, average on pad. P cars is better on a wheel than a pad, forza is better on a pad "for the mass market" only average on a wheel.
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I don't think you find any, it's either wheel or pad...., sim or game.

Ace Pumpkin, Jul 19, 2017

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Epistolarius Alien

Ace Pumpkin said: ↑

Yeah, got you.
Just one question: would you drive in it as comparably as with a reasonably setup, given a realistic FOV?
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I don't think you can properly judge corners and speeds in third person mode. One can adapt to it and eventually put out good laps but no, I don't think it's the best way to play a simulator. There's the concern about situational awareness advantage in third person view... but then again people use radar apps like helicorsa in-cockpit as well and it's offset by the aforementioned disadvantages of third person view. Really in the end... let people play the game like they want. Play it like you want. Up to devs to decide if they want to put any work into it or not.

ppbucko said: ↑

Another point, can you name any game that's exceptional to play on a pad and wheel. A/C is exceptional on wheel, average on pad. P cars is better on a wheel than a pad, forza is better on a pad "for the mass market" only average on a wheel.
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Assetto Corsa is much better on a gamepad than Forza IMHO. No weird physics you have to fight with.

Epistolarius, Jul 19, 2017

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ppbucko Hardcore Simmer

I've been a big critic of this game since release, I think I've been quite fair though with what I've wrote, but the one thing they have got right and is the only reason why I'm still here is the physics handling model on ffb wheels is absolute quality. If you was to make it easier to use a pad and more 3rd angle cameras then your taking the best part of the game away from someone using a game pad. How long would the mass market players stick around for, most mass market game features are missing. The mass market players bought it on release and got rid pretty quick, I can't see them getting it agaiin. There's better racing games already out there for using a game pad on.

ppbucko, Jul 19, 2017

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SlimCharles Alien

Why other people cant enjoy the game like they want to if that doesnt interfere in your enjoynment of the game?

It will take almost no time from the devs and it will make very happy a lot of people.

@Ace Pumpkin This is very clear: you want other people to enjoy the game like you want to and what is worse your trying again and again to sabotage a thread of a platform you dont even belong to. No interest in a person with such ideas. Ignored.

@Epistolarius You are right, it's actually better and much more easier to add the slider or an option to eliminate the movement of the camera. It gives you the camera I manage to get, it solve the problem of the suspension movement and it offers the third person view sounds.

SlimCharles, Jul 19, 2017

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pippo10 Hardcore Simmer

SlimCharles said: ↑

I agree about exterior sounds.

Swing cant be related to corners (that's exactly what happens with the normal third person view) it has to be related with the movement of the car. I think that what other games do is swing the camera if the car is oversteering; that works like a visual force feedback. I would like it, but being Kunos (small team>slow updates), I have little hopes for it.
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Reg. Exterior sounds, a simple option to mix exterior and interior sound levels will suffice. I've mention this option before as it would be nice to be able to raise the exhaust volume so you can hear it in cockpit view a little more. Also in some open roof cars like the MX5 ( not open wheelers ) ,when you skip through the views the sound changes when in cockpit view as if it was a tin top. So that's where a sound mix would be needed.

Ace Pumpkin said: ↑

Do you really want to drive a simulation 3 meters above the tarmac and 3 meters behind your actual driver position?
Don't you think that messes with your judgement of the track and your ability to drive?
And don't you think Kunos did what they did for a reason?
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No,
YES.
Yes.

However, if you are going to implement it then implement it in a satisfactory manor, or give people the option to adjust to requirement. They added it for a reason, that reason surely being that they knew some player would play in chase cam. Also it is a good way to slowly introduce those players into the SIM life. Many people struggle in cockpit view but may learn over time in a more serious game but completely dump it in an arcade game.

pippo10, Jul 19, 2017

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Maciej_42 Rookie

Ace Pumpkin said: ↑

I don't think you find any, it's either wheel or pad...., sim or game.
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I honestly don't understand you pal... First of all you're a PC gamer on a console forum, why? Secondly as a PC player, from what I know you already have the option to turn off the "swinging" off in third person view by changing the G-force effects, meaning you don't have this issue with your copy of the game (sorry, simulation), so stop trying to tell us how to play this game seeing you can already play the game the way OP and others would want to - a.k.a. without an awful third person cam.

All the OP wants is basically what you already have access to. I think it's only fair seeing as we most likely paid more for this game than you and all we get is about 70% of the total experience.

And from a business point of view - a great third person camera like the one in project cars could really do wonders for KUNOS, more people would probably buy this game on console (because being quite frank the handling is great even with a pad, easier and more fun than Forza in my opinion), more sales means more money - more money means bigger business and more people in the dev team. All with a simple addition that doesn't change your enjoyment one bit yet opens up the franchise to a lot more people...

Maciej_42, Jul 20, 2017

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SlimCharles Alien

There is already that option on PC? can anybody from PC post a video of the result of the third person view camera without the g-forces movement?

SlimCharles, Jul 20, 2017

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Donnced2 Alien

Wow.....some quite closed minds in here... A camera setting make a sim less sim???

Some need fresh air, enjoy the summer and think that a game is a game.. None match real life, not even assetto.

Let's play the people like they want...

Donnced2, Jul 20, 2017

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Ace Pumpkin Alien

SlimCharles said: ↑

There is already that option on PC? can anybody from PC post a video of the result of the third person view camera without the g-forces movement?
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No, reducing G Forces to zero don't render the stable, Forza-like view you want. That info is totally rubish.

Ace Pumpkin, Jul 20, 2017

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plastikman66 Gamer

Fantastic. Now I know this I can use it to have better bonnet cams as some are just far too low and show too much bonnet on screen. Thanx!

plastikman66, Jul 21, 2017

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pippo10 Hardcore Simmer

plastikman66 said: ↑

Fantastic. Now I know this I can use it to have better bonnet cams as some are just far too low and show too much bonnet on screen. Thanx!
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The great thing is not only can you set the bonnet view as you like, but you can set it with whatever FOV you like too.

pippo10, Jul 21, 2017

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Fat-Alfie Hardcore Simmer

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I don't understand how some people can buy AC for their console because of its realistic physics model, and yet demand to play it like this :

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Last edited: Jul 21, 2017

Fat-Alfie, Jul 21, 2017

#38
baboon Alien

SlimCharles said: ↑

Why Kunos should add a third person view camera? Because, appart from a sim, it can also be a racing game enjoyble for arcade or pad racers (or what the heck, whoever whats to race with the third person view).

And if it is such a problem for the "sim integrity" of the game, then let Kunos add it only on consoles.

Console players mostly play with pad. Happy console players -> Happy Kunos.

God, I just cant understand why some pleople dont want others to enjoy the game with something that wont take almost any time from the team.
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You sound too reasonable, go play Forza or something

That "sim integity" is just a fantasy construct existing in some peoples minds. Kunos seems to know very well how game design is important to make AC enjoyable for anyone who likes a good racing game.

baboon, Jul 21, 2017

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pippo10 Hardcore Simmer

Fat-Alfie said: ↑

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I don't understand how some people can buy AC for their console because of its realistic physics model, and yet demand to play it like this :

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But who plays it like that?

Is this better?

I strictly use cockpit, but I totally understand why people who use cockpit on console also play in chase cam occasionally.

Edit: I don't use that FOV lol.

pippo10, Jul 21, 2017

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