Lap time and frustration

Short answer: https://www.amazon.com/Carroll-Smiths-Engineer-Your-Pocket/dp/0965160017
Long answer: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0879380713/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0
Ultimate answer: https://www.amazon.com/Vehicle-Dyna...r+race+dynamics&qid=1561888210&s=books&sr=1-1
Answer to uninterested and lazy people: https://store.steampowered.com/app/523220/Virtual_Race_Car_Engineer/

The way to learn to make setups is either read books - tutorials, or to do a lot of work changing parameters in a setup one by one to understand what effect they have. There are thousands of setup guides at just one google search of distance. No one will give you a setup introduction here as it is like beating a dead horse having in mind that there is so many thousands of tutorials available, also it is painfull to write a wall of text. Nowadays any simracer that doesn't know how to setup a car don't have any excuse to blame for that, because if he hasn't learned is just because he didn't wanted to put the effort to learn.

And to answer your question, they do all those changes just to adjust the balance of the car to their personal liking, because everybody have different preferences in handling, some like understeer, others oversteer, others like high downforce, others low downforce but the potential of the car is still the same unless the base setup is a dissaster or who does the setup changes messes up the setup.

 

I can recommend this one.

 

I am not fast enough nor do I have the experience, to worry to much about setups at this point in time. When and if I feel I get to that point, I will probably just pick one of thousands of setups available with AC for any given car/track, that I know have worked in the past and work off of that. I am still of the opinion a person needs to be fast enough in the first place, or at the very least reached their full potential before they worry about setups. I cant remember who but someone once said, if your not within a second or two of the fasted time no setup is going to help you. Something to that effect anyway, seemed sound advice.

 

Same with me. Just cant get the transition from real to sim as they are mostly lacking to give me the right feeling I need to be quick. Also I do not have the time to sit down for hours to get it all dialed in.

So I just use the given Setups from ACC, depending of which car i use i take stable or aggressive.

I read those books more to understand the physics going on if I feel the need to change something.

 

Unfortunately in this forum the "setup discussion" is always very delicate. You can't take the argument that faster people get hurt right away. I am tired of repeating that those who are faster are simply better. There are no excuses. But every time you take the subject asking for advice, the strongest take shelter behind a shield: if you're a blowjob you're just a blowjob. Yes I know, I'll never be an alien. You are stronger even if you drive with the preset setup and a 50 euro steering wheel. That being said, asking for advice is not a crime ... boy.

EDIT: i don't know if google translate well "blowjob".. i mean "scarce" "poor"

 

Google did not translate well!

 

He is not protecting himself from you, he is protecting himself from the guy one tenth behind. The reality is whatever he shares will help that guy more than you.

 

Lol bad google wtf.

Regarding the topic however some people seem to think setup is the magic sauce, well it helps but setups are car, track, driver and conditions specific so theres no real shortcuts here. Knowing the basics and being able to feel and see where things can be changed either by adjusting technique or setup.

This is just the same with the laptime frustration there is no magic here, there are basic fundamentals you need to have and then being able to put these into practice. The reasons someone may be slower are so large that there is no general tips that will help everyone get up to the top of the field.

Anyone that actually wants help should look for specific help, give some data and this can be a replay file or a video. Im sure many here will gladly help but without providing anything nobody can give you specific advice that can help by seeing where it is your actually losing time.

 

My english is not good but some people don't understand because they don't want to understand. I opened this thread to share my frustration with other driver like me.. never intend to insult alien driver thinking they have a magic trick or magic setup... @Aris you can close the thread.

 

Im not insulted or a real alien, why close the thread? If you want help provide a replay or video and people will help you. Without that and just asking for generic help your not going to get much that will actually help you thats not already available online in generic guides and tips.

 

martcerv you are even a "gentleman". Is not you..

 

But sorry i can't defend even, always my opinion and explicate why i said something... i think to talk with adults. It's frustrating more than 3 second/lap. Obviusly there are many people i like in this forum. Best regards

 

Well farewell then. You came here to say you're frustrated with lap time, I offered help and you just become more butthurt. It's the setup it's not the setup who cares. If you can't show a real clip with your driving you can't expect to get help.

 

Dear iVG, if you want to understand why I opened a thread don't stop to read a post, read the whole thread so you understand the purpose. I don't "look" for anything from anyone. The forum is also made to exchange opinions and feelings, we are not talking about world hunger or climate change. Many people must give themselves a great calm (even in the race ....). You will notice that there have been many interesting contributions from users and also funny because it is a game and the spirit should be cheerful. But I repeat: what an effort to explain !!!!

 

Not sure why you just want to have a closed group of people to complain with rather than actually get some constructive feedback on how improve so you don't have this 3 second frustration killing your otherwise good day. You probably have a hot wife, great job and drive your FXXK at Spa track days but your pace in ACC has you f%$#^. But certainly is your choice if you want to be 3 seconds off the pace forever due to not wanting help. We can be a pretty helpful community if you let us

 

I have always accepted the advice, I have always respectfully thanked anyone who has something positive to say and to share. Unfortunately the forums cannot translate the real intentions, the writing can be interpreted. My frustration is a joke !!! I don't cry and I don't cut my veins for three seconds. But if I write laughing you obviously can't see it. Sometimes we think we are the only ones that something happens to, my thread had the sole purpose of understanding if other people thought they could not reach certain levels, but all without making it a tragedy. And I thank those who expressed their opinion and gave useful advice. Some people instead immediately put themselves on the defensive and think that you're complaining about their lap times for setup or something. More than that I honestly don't know what to say.

 

Thanks @Aris, sometimes a word of encouragement is enough.

 

It's incredible how the drive begin automatic. If i drive in Brands Hatch i do 1.25 all the race. 1.25 high or 1.25 low but can't go under 1.25. This is what i hate. I can't go over my limit. And this is the sensation i wanted to share with others because i stopped driving for a week. Just a low period. But i'll come back

 

You shouldn't be frustrated because you can do a certain time consistently and not go below it. People like to think your "learning curve" is a smooth line, but it isn't. Usually your skill will come in relatively big steps, and then there will be a plateau where you don't seem to improve for some time, then comes another step, and then another plateau, they should call it "the learning staircase" instead.
Don't let this discourage you, just play through that period, and don't be too much of a tryhard, otherwise it's probably gonna be really frustrating. Sooner or later, out of nowhere, you'll be able to find a few tenths and you won't even know how.