XB1 New AI

Credit where credit is due on this one. I have been racing the AI for the last few hours or so and i have found that playing on "hard" with AI aggression to 100% is perfect for my lap times and driving style.

I especially enjoyed a 20 lap race at Mugello with the new Audi R8 LMS 2016, with all the AI in the same car, 15 Car grid, pole was a low 1:50 and 15th place a low 1:52. This is everything i wanted from this title close, bumper to bumper at times racing and AI that actually knows how to race.

Man i have had to re-think the way i race, no stupid moves you will be punished, no silly dive bombs you will pay the price... Great Job on the AI Kunos.

Just a little thing though, i started a Championship with 45min Practice, 30 Qualy and 20 lap race. Did everything up to the race but had to head out as i got distracted. Would be nice to return and to just start the race rather than having to start form FP again... Nonetheless good update and looking forward to things to come..

 

The new

The new AI is the benchmark. CPU cars now seems to be humans and you pay any fault. Super.

 

Great work on the new AI. It is far more believable now, at least on the combinations I have used so far, and I found it pretty good before anyway. Looking forward to my first multi-class race in the Toyota TS040-HYBRID now.

Brilliant stuff.

 

There is still work to do because sometimes they still fear to overtake: if they see there isnt enough space to overtake between the corner behind and the corner in front, they dont overtake (even if their car is much faster than the one to overtake) so inside the corners they dont overtake. And if the straigt it's short they fear too much to overtake.

But the improvement is huge. It's so much fun to create multiclass races with hypers and sportscars and see them passing by the other AIs at 150 kph more. And they improved also in holding the position. I crashed with another AI on Eau Rouge because it didn't want to give up its position and I went wide (my fault).

 

While eminently better, the difficulty is still not consistent enough, between different car classes, and even between different sessions with the same strength and car class.

 

I did a 15 lap race in Spa and fully agree with you, very enjoyable.

 

I didn´t see any option for multiclass race, where is it?

 

Set up a race in Custom Championships and select your opponents.

 

Doing a 1 make series with the abarth AC now is great racing and looks human like.

I don't think this will ever not be an issue in any game which has multiple types of cars etc. Unless infinite amount of time to dedicate to it.

Yes I noticed to Porsche RSR still struggles to overtake the Abrth ss 65 on the Nurb ( until the straight ) and highlands short due to no room. No big issue as they're extreme opposites of performance. Also I really like how now I don't feel like I'm the only one to pay for contact when AI bash me. Great to see AI mess each other up too.

 

Yep, real multiclass races like wec work very good. In other type of multiclass races you will have to search for a good match. For example hypers and hot hatches it's not a good idea, because Hypers wont overtake hot hatches in the corners even if they are much more faster. So with hypers, you need to find a car very fast in the corners but slow in the straights compared to the hypers (GT3 RS for example). I have to try it more.

 

Devs explained this, that AIs driving style fits better faster cars, than slow ones. AI will be relatively fastest on higher powered cars, because they are very good at avoiding sliding, unlike human. Which makes them fast on high powered RWD cars, but slow on the low powered ones, because they don't understand the difference in required driving style.

Just something we have to accept, there isn't any 1 difficulty value that fits all car classes. Just adjust based on what you drive. Same goes for aggression... At least on PC I've found out that the LMP and F1 cars can't handle 100% aggression, 70-75% seems to be best value. Otherwise they crash sooner or later, because they approach the track too aggressively for that sort of car. On almost any other car class however, you can crank the aggression to 90-100% with no problem. Same with difficulty, some cars just need harder difficulty to be competitive. Also make sure you have aggression pretty high, because otherwise they won't overtake that much. Something like 40% fits more of track day type of thing

You do have slider for difficulty too, I hope? Because due to this problem, fixed presets like "Easy" and "Medium" aren't really ideal.....

There is really 2 problems about AI anymore, the other is race starts (too easy to gain positions, compared to rest of the race) and other is this. Maybe Stefano finds a way to fix (some of) it. But even without I'd say AC has now one of best AIs of all driving sims. They overtake, fight for position and can go even three wide with no problems. You usually don't get hit by them, unless you mess up yourself, and can have very close and fair racing. Better than most MP lobbies tbh

 

No, no AI slider on console, just presets.

 

Hmm well that worsens the problem

 

Anyone tried to enable the penalty? In my xb1, i can't to enable this option.

 

Can't turn mine off

 

I have noticed this also. I scroll down to enable penalties but when I highlight it, it seems the AI difficulty slider also gets highlighted and I cannot enable penalties, it starts to change the AI difficulty....

 

Last night was my first real chance to run a few races with the new update. One thing that happened in 2 of the 3 quick 8 lap races I ran was that an AI car went off course and just stayed there the entire race. One car parked itself on the asphalt run off at the end of the front straight at Nurburgring GP and sat there the whole race. Then another car ran off at turn 5 I think it is at Imola in the sand and stayed there the entire race. I've never ever seen that happen before.

Also it appears that what I call "the rabbit effect" hasn't been addressed either. I tested the new Audi R8 LMS in a GT3 race at Imola on medium AI difficulty. My standard 8 lap quick race random starting position. I started in 4th. On the green light the front 2 cars shot off into the distance. Mercedes AMG GT3 in 1st and a Porsche RSR in 2nd. At the end of the 1st lap the Mercedes set a quickest lap of 1:46.8 with the Porsche a few car lengths back. I stayed in 4th and my opening lap was a high 1:50 I think but the 3rd place car wasn't holding me up any. At the end of the race the Mercedes had the quickest lap of the race but it was only 1:46.2 so it's opening lap time was only 6/10ths slower than it's quickest overall lap, that's not realistic.

I had AI aggression set on 80.

 

I had a similar experience yesterday. 2 cars went off the first corner at the red bull ring then 1 more just after the 3rd corner and they just stayed there for the whole 5 laps.
That was AI aggression on 90.

So did this not happen before the latest update?

 

Nah, it happened before the patch, pole position has a canny knack of being able to set the same lap from a standing start as they can on a flying lap.

 

It happens quite often, happened before the patch too but before they kept their foot down even if facing the barrier, they couldn't or didn't try finding reverse gear. They would then port back to life, now they stay there idle.