Best time with standard setup

Is it possible to drive best times (alien times) with the standard car setups or is it essential to adjust the settings, change tires ...?
It would be nice if you could concentrate on pure racing without taking care of the settings. There should be the possibility to have an automatic setup guide who gives you the best setup for each track-car- combination. In real life the drivers also have a team where technicians take care of the setup...
A talented driver doesn't automatically mean that he is also a good technician.
If someone loves to race doesn't automatically mean that he is also interested in technical setups.
Of course people who love and understand the technical background they can adjust the setup manually to their personal needs...

 

If you want to be fast, you´ll need a good setup.
There is no "best setup". Every driver has his own feeling. That means my personal best setup may feel crap to you...

 

All drivers favour a different setup. Whats fast for me, may not be fast for you. Best to check online at places like RSR to see if a set has been posted and try several, in order to find one that suits your style.

 

Setup is not difficult, just don't do everything at once. For start, play with gear ratios, aero and rollbars, so you see how the car handles. Also dump the fuel, if you're playing with open wheels.

 

It is impossible to get near the good times with standard setup from my experience..
I was checking my lap times on RSR when the lotus exos 125 @ nurb came out and i was like on 5th page(so place 200 +) with my best time after a lot of practice,i accepted that maybe i`m not that good even though i only wanted to be in a decent pace not the best..but then i went online and downloaded a lotus exos setup and i instantly took of 2 SECONDS and a day later i made it to first page on RSR leaderboards and i`m still there place 35th i think...it was MIND BLOWN for me..so yeah SETUP is the key word

 

Simracing does mean you need setups.
Ok, forza/gt players dont know it, but you can win 2-4s with an setup.
Klaus Ellenbrand (fastest guy on rsr) shared his setup on monza and i was 3s faster.


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Good setup gives you confidence to really attack the corners and drive aggressively. Without it, the car's unstable and slides all the time. You can't carry good speed around the corners and you're fighting the car all the time.

 

3 sec? That can't be just because you have more confidence to push, there must be something that gives you A LOT more grip. Did you find out what made the biggest difference? Or are you only using the setups from other people without studying them? Which of course is perfectly fine, most of us are here to race, not for car setup engineering.
I'd say setups can make 0.5-1 sec difference, but 3 sec is a hole different class, this would mean people should stop practicing right now and focus on trying to find the magic setup, this can't be right.

I really hope you are exaggerating when talking about 3 sec! And if not, there really is a huge need for fixed setup races, even though some people might don't like it...

 

yeah on some cars it was a big difference in my case. I cant setup the Lotus T125 S1 right and his setup gave me a huge boost
But the Lotus T125 is better to adjust, im even faster with my one setup then Klaus on Vallelunga or with the Ferrari 312T on Vallelunga - first place for Klaus
Overall i know some basics and test many setup changes by myself (BMW M3 GT2 is best example, look at my Deatroy RSR Account), so that im pretty fast with it. But some combos are too hard to get right and then its nice to use other setups.

 

The easiest thing to start with are tire pressures, drop them 3-4 psi do a couple of laps then check out the temps 80-90 street- semi slick, 90-100 slicks this from real life experience so probably wrong, I want to download the tire app but I am a techno-phobe so have wait for my granddaughter to come over and help me. Then adjust pressure, add more if they are to hot, less if their under. Next strep is staggering the pressures, tracks don't have equal amount of left and right corners, so the tires on one side don't get hot enough, so drop a few psi out of the colder tires till their all with in a couple degrees of each other. That should give you a good base to start with, before playing with the dark art of suspension tunning

 

all depends on what car you drive. there are cars which you can't setup a lot.

 

I`m a bit like others I do find setting up a car a nightmare , unless you have a good understanding you can go around in circles adjusting and getting nowhere ..

 

One more reason to love street cars....

 

Me too. If Kunos would implement an automatic setup guide I could concentrate on racing...

 

I think Kunos should release a few "Aris Approved" setups for some of the really popular car and track combos.

That said. RSR and racedept have some very good setups. I've learned so much about car setup in this forum too.

 

Before you even endulge in setting up the car you should be extremely familiar with the track and the stock car first. Your driving should be fast and what's even more important - consistent.

 

Had another thought about it, more confidence can really make a huge difference in a high downforce car. But I bet if you had switched back to your old setup you wouldn't have lost that 3 sec again, because you now knew what the car was capable of.

Anyway, as Michael said, one more reason to love street cars, I predict some great fun racing MP with those street cars I hope with the different upgrade steps they get bigger groups of cars at a similar pace so they can be raced against each other and not everyone taking the same car if one is clearly fastest. And only having spec series racing would be a waste of so many nice cars, imho.

On the other hand, learning how to setup a car is also a lot of fun. I'm no pro, but I'd say I know what setup changes should be done to counter over- or understeer in the different parts of a corner. But I never had the desire to actually test much to find out what settings make the car faster.
That's why I like the idea of partially fixed setups so much. Only allow changes on one end of the car, so you can only make relative changes, front to rear balancing, but not changing it completey by going to one extreme that would have consequences in real life that aren't modeled in the sim (yet).
I hope unrealistically fast setups are reported to the KS team so they can take a look at them and adjust things if needed.

 

I love setting up the GT cars till they're like a putty in my hands. Only at that point, i can concentrate on fast laptimes and search for ideal racing line. If the car doesn't behave the way i want, i won't bother with laptimes. Being comfortable is what makes you faster.

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What car/track would you guys suggest to play with setups and find my 'driving style'?
All my RSR 'All Around' rank times are done with stock setup.. and Im always between 105-108% of the WR and about #300 rank.

The Lotus 2 Eleven at Silverstone comes to mind for me.. lots of turns to improve time on. I practiced all day improving my lap times there but Im still 13s behind the leader.
Thats a big amount of time to see where my setup is making me faster/slower. Compared to the Abarth500/Vl-club race where Im 3s behind the leader.. still #300.

 

I think the most important setup changes are those that aid in tyre heating. The difference in grip between semi slicks at 90c and 60c is massive. Then I try to get more turn in, the default setups are very understeery.

In general reducing tyre pressure raises temperatures.
In general adding negative camber increases tyre temperatures and grip.
Softer damping, springs at the front, harder at the rear gives more front end grip.
Toe out of the front wheels gives more aggressive turn in, toe in gives better stability.