Minorating.com (drivers thread)

How many new player servers are actually populated? (One)

How many new players are you seeing continue playing? (Who knows?)

Here's the problem with all of your arguments: You continually admit to the issue, but write it off as not being significant.

The reason you do that is: You're not new. So you don't care. That's all there is to it. I care because I just went through it, realize how useless and worthless it is, and had rather not have anybody else ever have to go through it like I did. That's why I would like to see a change: to welcome new players and give them opportunities to grow in the game; not be limited to one server of complete idiots that can't figure out where the brake pedal is or how to actually turn right.

 

It could work, offering new players the benefit of doubt, but then you'd have to rework the system to drop them to "C" very fast if they aren't up to par with B and A ratings in a few races.I think the system works well, the starting issue is minimal to non-existant, but then I didn't ever have to go through anything lower than A, so I don't know how awful it can be.Is it actually worth investing the time into this matter for a niggle? Clean drivers will shine eventually and get a B rating, even on AB servers I've seen plenty of drivers who can't drive worth sh1t, let alone race, so there's that as well...

 

Talking about the single most important mod/app in Assetto Corsa .

And yes, compared to the situation before minorating, yes, your issues are insignificant. Being new you cant know this, but in the beginning ALL servers were like that horrible one you mention. I didn't race online for the first couple of years at all because it was that bad. The world is not perfect now but, if there is a solution, take Minolin up on his question in the post above yours.

You obviously think we are idiots who can't read or understand basic english. Therefore I'm going to quit reading this discussion. Good luck.

 

The reason that N drivers need to be separated can be easily seen here: http://www.minorating.com/Stats
Look at CP/km ratios graph. It is clear that N drivers in average are much worse than C, so you should not mix them in the same class. And this actually matches my own observations. Whenever Helicorsa shows me that an N driver is nearby I have to go into full alert mode because the vast majority of those folks are unpredictable and are almost as bad as D class. There's whooping 1/3 of all drivers still being in N class. Something tells me that those are most likely not really into online simracing seriously, they probably bought the game because it is inexpensive and has some cool cars like Porsches, Lambos and Ferraris, immediately went online and joined the most populous server, wrecked a bunch of guys, spun out the track in every corner and then left to never come back.
I understand that for a decent simracer the need to grind (though driving 15-20 minutes to put 40 km on odometer can hardly be called grinding - compare that to iRacing rookie class if you want) through N could be frustrating, but believe me that it is much more frustrating when you're not being able to keep dangerous types out of reach of your server.

 

damnnn i had forgot that charts.

aloog 0 - 9.149.665 kms recorded
aloog 1 - 1.190.176 kms
aloog 2 - 602.582 kms
aloog 4 - 572.603 kms
aloog 5 - 392.728 kms
aloog 6 - 899.377 kms

Total kms on aloog servers - 12.807.131

@bigbawmcgraw
Almost 13 ****ing Millions, thats crazy.
jeez !

 

I have been on "the only one" (silverstone/bmw1m/abcn) server.
http://www.minorating.com/DriverInfo?mrid=2388652388
I did 3 races (21km each) and 3 qualis.
Races had 32, 11 and 48% attack range.
Field of approx. 20 cars
My bonus points: well not even a full point. (0.8 contact points)

*edit I just wanted to know what it is like, will test more N servers as time permits.

 

I'm new to the pc world and discovered minorrating by jumping on the BMW server. It's pretty much the only server that has a street car available to drive on a track that's not the nords.

I have spent the majority of my online time there because it's just a ton of fun to slide that car around, dodging newbies, passing someone or being passed every lap.

only took a few races to get to an a/b grade. At least that's what says I am when I jump into the BMW server.

 

I guess it might be worth discussing restricting the ways servers can be set up, so for example if a server allows C or D it must allow N, and only have "ranges" of server (AB, ABCN, ABCDN, ABCDNW, DW), which I think is how iRacing's ratings work... but the N's not the same group of people as C so giving them the same rating is confusing. And then do you include them with C or D drivers? (AB ABC ABCDN or AB ABCN ABCDN)


Really I think it's more productive to find ways to encourage AB rated drivers into the CN rated servers... Obviously you don't want to do something like "collisions with N drivers don't count" cause that would breed wreckers who get their B rating and then hunt Ns but maybe there's something you can do to encourage it.

 

street fight MR [AB] search it ;-) very good selections of street cars in 3 dif servers.

 

its a valid point..(i think it has been discussed before if im not mistaken), but like in aloog 6 nords when setup for trackdays is ABC , and letting a N there is kinda strange, not really the best track for a N right out of the bat. And aloog 6 for sunday events is AB .
So the option to have ABC is still valid in that case, imo.

 

I have a weird feeling towards ABCN servers. Apart from the official Kunos servers, where ok you need the newcomers to be able to join (official server), but what's the point of ABCN?

To me these four combinations are the only ones that make sense in the logic of offering 3-4 degrees of safe racing:

A servers (is that even possible?) = only the safest public servers drivers.
AB servers = safe drivers, safe racing. No newbies (C,N), no unsafe drivers (D), no wreckers (W).
ABC servers = average safe racing for "filtered" newcomers (from N to C) or people demoted from B, with more potential participants. No unsafe drivers (D) and no potential or verified deliberate wreckers (N and W).
ABCDN servers = entry level racing. No safe racing, open to newcomers, but at least no verified wreckers (W).

ABCN instead seems a bit weird: you want to guarantee some degree of safe racing (no D) but then you let in the newcomers (N) who may be unsafe or wreckers. Doesn't make much sense to me.
Other combinations like CD or similar also do not make much sense to me, why exclude AB?

 

As someone who runs ABCN servers, my theory was I wanted all but D and W because they were there worst and not worthy of participating on my servers.

 

Yes but by allowing N you expose the server to new D and new W in the making. Which means you are not making the server "safer". At this point ABC is much better, because it guarantees a medium-level safety.

My idea is that Minolin should give limited choice:

• AB = top safety
• ABC = middle safety
• ABCDN = entry level safety

and stop. Otherwise the very purpose of Minorating gets a bit lost and we see these servers set up in the weirdest ways.

 

Yes, but i work on giving newbies the benefit of the doubt... probably the core reason of why we have N to start with.

Also Australia has low numbers of AC racers so the more the merrier

 

Haha of course you're the boss of your own server, I am just saying that ABCN is more or less as safe as ABCDN so I don't see the point.
If I care about Minorating and I am grade C, I don't want to race with N. I want to race with C and AB to improve my rating. Otherwise I just go to a non-Minorating server.
If I am a newcomer or an unsafe driver I start from the entrance, which is ABCDN, then when I am C I go up. Mixing up things just makes everybody unhappy.

At the moment the only safe servers are AB. If you are C or you get demoted to C you're in hell because you have to fend yourself against N or D. Only if you have ABC servers you give C people (who are a lot) a chance to have decent racing and make some progress.

@Minolin your thoughts on this? I say ABCDN -> ABC -> AB are the only clear three steps of safe public racing in AC each of them guaranteeing a clear degree of safety.

 

Surely, if MR is a safety rating intended to create safer servers, players should be encouraged into AB servers? It isnt like a performance/skill based system where the elite just race the elite. It's like a baseline, if you can keep your car on the track and have atleast a nugget of empathy you will be AB. The big problem with that i'd say is people not knowing about MR and racing in bad servers lowering their rating and new players having to work their way up on servers with bad players which I guess is what you are addressing... but if you encourage AB players to race on CDN dont we essentially have no MR and no incentive (for the less empathetic folk that need it) to race like decent human beings and strive to be in the more enjoyable and safe AB servers?

I agree about certain grade combos not being allowed though. Im sure Minolin has said quite a few times he wishes he had done this early on... and there was that MR lobby idea.

 

It makes sense (o master) but consider this: you have ABN servers where newcomers drive like just a few laps, the moment they turn C what happens, they cannot enter the server any more? Maybe they are enjoying racing with some other guys. Also it's not that easy to explain to a server admin who just cares about the safety level/number of racers ratio he wants on his server. Three is a magic number .

Otherwise there should be some "official" ABN servers always open, where newcomers must go first to pass the driving test. Then after passing the test they have ABCD/ABC and then AB on the standard servers. But this would make it easier for intentional wreckers to first get to C and then bring havoc on the safer servers. I prefer ABCDN (entry level safety) to ABC (medium safety) to AB (high safety).

 

In the ideal world I see N grade allowed only with AB, not on their own, not with C, D, W and only 1 server being set to ABN. That would prevent from spreading Ns across different servers, especially since AC is out for a while (so is MR) and demand for N rated people is probably lower. I'm sure Minolin has all the stats about that, but back to ideal world. On that one and only ABN server there would be mixed cleanest drivers with drivers that are often new to simracing in general or just new to AC. And need some tips either about driving fast or clean or both, also some info about MR. All that knowledge would come from the experienced guys on the server. And I agree that you would have toencourage AB drivers somehow. But I don't have any good solution for that. Like stereo said giving them no CP for collisions with Ns might get wrong kind of AB drivers in. Ideally they shouldn't need any motivation to join Ns but yeah...

Well I think I already talked about that idea in the past.