Minorating.com (drivers thread)

Just a note to add, I did like the MR hit if you exited the pits wrongly, never got pinged on cuts... hope the pit exit wrong part stays.

 

Yeah I think the pit exit thing is good as well, exit cut always bugged me along with people handbraking over the line. If performance rating is coming back what about a safety rating leaderboard as well might be an incentive for some.

 

1. Fresh DB
Ideally, stats would migrate. Not a big problem for me if they don't.

2. Forced naming convention
Not for or against. As long as MR tells me the grades in the server title differ from the grades allowed in I'm happy.

3. Forced brakets
I can see why you would like to split N and CDW but would this harm participation?

4. Shortened restriction code
Bad idea IMO, might not be clear to people what that actually means. If you implement #3 wouldn't people need to learn which grades can race with others if you also implement #4? Unnecessarily complicates looking for a server that allows your grade I think.

5. Restriction code for "special" servers
MR does the job of sorting people you can race closely with. I think a PR would be a nice bonus, an extra stat to keep track of.

6. Dump line mechanics
MR cut points I could take or leave but I like the proper pit exit enforcement.

7. Attack/Combat refinement
Refinement is always welcome, I don't see a downside but I'm not the one that will be potentially doing it.

8. Closed source binary plugin
My only thought after reading that sentence is "No".

 

A Performance rating for me means very little, I dont really try to win all pub servers anyway and would much rather start at the back to mid pack and have nice battles not winning then starting on pole and hotlaping to a win. Safety rating leaderboards as in highest close combat total per cp etc I would find more interesting and it would also tell more about other drivers then a performance rating IMHO.

Forced brackets you could always make it only BCD not ABCD this would likely force more A graders to set/join either A, AB, ABN, or ABC servers. I think ABCDN is probably the worst example of an MR server you can get and if we eliminate this it will have a fairly likely jump in general race quality. If ABC becomes the new goto server or heaven forbid AB A or ABN then it will also give incentive to D,N,W and even C drivers to up their grade. With the most used goto servers being ABCN atm or ABCDN you may as well not run minorating for the majority in that server. Current method doesnt really give any real need for people to go from N to better then C or D.

I think the forced bracketing is something that really needs to be done as can be seen in current MR use and PC2 safety rating, giving people the choice they generaly choose the ones that give the worst possible experiance for all. Also frocing N to only be with AB means they get their first taste of MP seeing a good example of how to race. If they get knocked into D or C for a bit they will still have a memory of the hopefully better AB drivers they would rather race with. This gives an incentive to clean up their driving and grade up.​

 

I personally would love to see A's limited to A, AB and ABN. This would fix the huge underlying issue with safety ratings (from comments here it seems the same issue exists in PCars.)

 

My main reason for that suggestion is that a vast majority of A graded drivers don't get the experience they should because of the choice of server, if they weren't allowed into an ABCDW server would it really be such a big loss to them? Also if instead they would set and join A AB ABC ABN servers and get a much better experience, giving people the free choice looks to be the main issue with ratings in AC and PC2. Is an

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ABCDN ABCDNW server really much better then a server not running ratings at all? the guys aren't kept out of servers not running ratings and for those that love the wild west servers at least they don't need to cry about the CDNW guys crashing into them, ruining their precious A rating which mostly they don't need as they never join A only servers.

Taking the N graders away from CDW is an advantage to them and I think the system would show its benefits more if you also kept A's away from DW, C may be a bit too much and would likely have the negative impact of people not wanting to be in A grade. N graders can be anything but joining a server for an A grader with people the rating system has already identified as really quite bad in traffic I think is madness, especially if they then complain about getting hit by these guys the server name says will most likely hit them and everything else in there. I thought the majority would be clever enough to figure this out but MR and PC2 has shown this isn't the case and we may need a way to push them into a better experience they cant manage on their own.

 

Having servers full of bumper cars with mr (all grades) is the same as having full servers without mr, a frustrating experience ...
Sorry for my English

 

Thats kind of my way of thinking, does traffic on MR all servers really matter? the racing experiance in them is the same as not running MR so if people wanted that they can join non MR servers. It in theory should move more traffic into stricter rating servers which in turn should get more users into MR if they see these are busy and so would also give an incentive for people to look into how to get a better rating and so clean up the driving standards for more people in any MR servers. Its mostly due to frustration of with such a good rating system the main servers running the system may as well not be as they are open to all or nearly all.

It is hard to say if this would work in a positive or negative way, I personally think it could not make the situation any worse. But I have generally been wrong on how the average person would use a rating system as it really hasn't helped most people wanting better racing as it could.

 

i’ve done option 2 so many times and when i leave it quite often 10+ ppl left on there... it is a shame more people don’t do it.

 

Its not even an MR thing but most people in general never join an empty server, many of these people are also the ones that often complain about no variety in server combo's etc when there are 1000's of empty ones with all sorts of combos. The thing is if nobody joins an empty server it always stays empty and my servers when I havent joined first rarely ever get anyone in them.

I had hoped MR stricter ratings would let people choose any combo empty or with someone in it then other MR guys will see someone in the server that MR A or AB and go great this will be clean no matter what join then more will. But this rarely ever happens mostly as nobody was the first to join but also people will just look for any rating server and join it if its busy. Me personally I would only open a loosely rated server if its quiet never a busy one as thats guaranteed mayhem. If I saw an MR A or AB server thats busy I would never hesitate and when I have been in say MR ABCDN and its busy most of the better drivers in there complain about the poor ones or leave.

So its really impossible to win this and so I mostly gave up trying to run my own or even populate them, when it was more effort then its worth, its also why I most likely wont be running servers once the current 12 month prepaid period is up. Its a shame but even though many say they want clean casual racing the general users do nothing to help their own situation. Minolin has done so much to help, server owners have also tried hard to get this to a better level but in the end people use the same excuse.

They would rather join a full server then a quiet one, thats why strict ratings look like they will simply never work for pickup servers without a community or core regulars to help keep them going.

 

Once I get my VR and computer up & running I'll join in and try to improve my grade beyond C. 2 weeks to go now...

 

I run the Hairy Goats server in Australia. I have only recently put MR on it and started with all classes. I quickly found that it would get populated with all types of drivers. We had a few wreckers come on and after some time I decided to restrict it with only A and B ratings (Plenty of other unrated servers for these players to use). I also race on the RaceOnOz servers. Usually they are empty when I join and quickly fill up and we have some great fun / clean racing. Loving the Escort right now.
The population on my server seems to fluctuate and definitely does not fill up all the time. Partly to do with the tracks I run at times.
I think the MR system is great and allows like minded drivers to race together in a fun way.

 

1. Fresh DB
All good for me

2. Forced naming convention
Yes, i think it has to be a K.I.S.S keep.it simple stupid method for auth and name conventions to make it easier for setup.

3. Forced brakets
yes

4. Shortened restriction code
If a new perf rating a la elo.system is implemented it will be a must, otherwise, not needed.

5. Restriction code for "special" servers
Maybe this could split the already small MP community, im not much into ELO perf ratings but some people like it.. it can be very addictive but also Very! frustating, Im "neutral" here, leaning towards the no side.

6. Dump line mechanics
I really dont like MR cutting system as it isnt aligned with kunos, for me is a pita having two diferent track limits on some bad setup servers. edit - MR Pit exit line cutting penalty i like tho.

7. Attack/Combat refinement
Oh yes ;-)

8. Closed source binary plugin
Your call tho, its your baby do you want it Open Source or "Proprietary"? i like the open source approach better ;-)

 

You should join the Raceonoz league maybe if your free Mondays, get some good clean and silly fast racing in there.

Im with you on the stricter MR settings, there are so few like that so why would you bother running one more for the wreckers and bad sports.

 

We cant force people to be smart.

1. Fresh DB
I dont mind.

2. Forced naming convention
Yes, please!

3. Forced brakets
Yes.

4. Shortened resriction code
Yes.

5. Restriction code for special servers
I dont need performance rating.

6. Dump line mechanics
Pitlane crossing detection is great!

7. Attack/Combat refinement
I would say it is refined, but i have great faith in you.

8. Open/closed
Your baby, you decide.

 

Minorating seems to not be working, both the webpage and in-game plugin don't work.
I've restarted the server, so I doubt that's the issue.


Edit:
Ok, after server restart (rackservice) it's getting worse and worse.
I think MR is hosted on rackservice too, so it might be a hoster issue.