Generic PC vs Console

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you need to be online all the time if you want to play R3E or iRacing, right? I'm sure both games have their own protections to see if the content you're using was bought or acquired illegally. Something similar to what MS uses to see if your Xbox isn't modified when you connect to the Live. I know people who tried to bring modded content (from DLC they haven't paid for) online in Forza 4 (briefly bypassing the first online check).
Their accounts did last for a few minutes before being banned until Dec. 31st, 9999.
I don't know about Battlefield, but I guess DICE has a similar check in place.
AC is different, because pirates would be free to use whatever they want offline and Kunos won't have much authority there.

 

My main gripe with the game on Xbox is the frame rate, I don't care it doesn't look as Good as other racing titles, I think the main aspect of it physics on wheel is quality. But the game has to run smooth, and there's been little improvement since release.
In my opinion they need to fix what we have, opimize the game more, then add the missing stuff the pc has. I'm sick of updates where more things are broken, I'm sick of thiings they say they have fixed but clearly haven't. Who is testing it, this side of things needs a massive improvement. I have all the dlc but that's it, I'm not buying anymore until I see improvements.

 

Street Fighter V also does cross play between PS4 and PC. I would also like to have it for AC but the fact that the versions are not the same is really an issue as well as other aspects for sure.

 

Are you saying that Forza and Pcars have sold 90k-1 million on console or Assetto? From my understanding the unverifiable figure for Assetto on Xbox and PS4 combined is around 90k

 

Battlefield - Tracks your profile online on their servers, knows what you own, has entire DLC content on client's PC without the fear of client ever bypassing their online check to steal content they do not own. NO MODS
iRacing - Tracks your profile online on their servers, knows what you own, has entire roster of cars that you race against in any given series reside on your PC without the fear of you ever bypassing their online check to steal content you do not own. NO MODS
R3E - Always online DRM even for offline play, checks what you own, can have parts of their DLC on your PC without the fear of you ever bypassing their online check to steal content you do not own. NO MODS
AC on Consoles - Locked down platform (XBone and PS4), storefront check what content you own, plus literally no way to steal content you do not own. NO MODS
AC on PC - Does not have always online DRM, does not track your profile online on their servers, so it does not know or care about what you own because it would be beyond irritating for an OPEN MODDING PLATFORM to be DRM infested and locked down.

The one game that you could have actually brought up to prove your case was AMS, but you did not. But the common thing it has with all the games you mentioned is that AMS does have all the DLC content reside on the client's PC no matter if they own the DLC or not even though it does not track your stats online, they do this because they do not have incredibly pricey licenses to protect and they made the money for the licenses in their kickstarter campaign and seem to rely on goodwill and fairy dust to not have their stuff cracked. And they never claimed AMS to be a modding platform, they keep saying that over and over. AC has no kickstarter campaigns asking for money, what they do have is ridiculously expensive licenses and if Kunos thinks it is not worth it for them to get their assets stolen by putting them in everyone's reach on an open platform without infringing on the open nature of the title then it is well within their rights. Moan all you want but the games you pointed out have literally nothing in common with how AC works. There is no harm in asking for that feature to be implemented, as I want to see that happen too, but know that constantly bringing up the games that you do really does not help your case and only makes you look a tad silly, no disrespect intended.

 

Yep for AC - meant 900k-1m - again depending which figures you read, about double the PC sales on Steam. pCARS is about 1.2m on console. Forza 6 I'm not sure but over 1m for just Xbox before Apex was mentioned.

 

Sites like VGchartz currently track it in the 90k region over both platforms. I am sure there is some inaccuracy there but do you think it's in the region of a 10 times margin of error?

 

Do VGchartz track digital sales as well?

 

The 1.4 million (combined) figure comes from the Digital Bros' press release.

 

Source for where those were promised for console please. False starts were only recently added to the PC version, after console release, and will likely be added to console in an upcoming patch. It couldn't have been promised for console first. Multiclass races are not supported on PC either, you can set the grid online to anything you want but offline the AI can't deal with it. And it was never promised for console specifically.

 

"We are doing a crazy job to guarantee that all versions of Assetto Corsa will feature the same content, features and physics. The only thing different is the user interface – that on console has been totally redefined" - by Marco Massarutto

Kind of seems like a pretty big lie as physics are pretty much the only thing that is even close to being the same. Everything else is sadly just "Assetto corsa lite" on consoles.

https://www.redbull.com/amp/en/game...ssetto-corsa-interview-with-kunos-simulazioni

 

Spreading false informations is something a listed company would like to avoid. Could be seen as informational agiotage, which might lead to market manipulation. So, I'd say It's trustworthy.

 

I think that Assetto is like
pCars, test the first release, then AC2 will launch etc although I'll buy AC2 any day.l bcoz it's worth every cent. I wish they'll put more tracks so we can like Have bigger variations in than area other than that I'm so far pleased with the performance, private lobbies, custom mapping etc will come in v.1.13 I think then game will develop in different direction.


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Sorry. Thought false start was added before the release and that in PC was possible to race multiclass races (I must misread it from some PC user). I can't edit the post now

You have a point. But with "made up" I was refering to, I dont know, counting DLC to inflate the sales numbers or something like that. I would be the first one to be happy with AC selling 1 million on consoles (300-400k on PC according to steam spy), but it's very unlikely that AC sold in 6 months what ProjectCars have sold in more than a year or half of what DC sold in 1 year and 6 moths. But could be completely true.

 

Here is another direct source of the sales information:

http://www.digitalbros.com/?page_id=976&lang=en

Assetto Corsa – a Premium game, published by 505 Games in the console edition (PS4/XboxOne) and developed by the Italian team Kunos Simulazioni. Assetto Corsa sold, since its launch on console (late August), around 300,000 copies for a total revenue of € 8 million.​

There is no date given for the timeframe of this financial information. The later press release http://www.digitalbros.com/wp-conte...nosSimulazioniS.r.l.anddecidedbenefici....pdf here said 1.4 million sales of which they say 500,00 are Steam.

I'm just going by their stated stats, I agree though the number of people visibly playing on both console versions makes me question if this is real sales or some of the 'shipped' nonsense we see from MS and Sony when they talk about console sales figures.

If these figures are a true reflection the consoles are by far the bigger market and probably more profitable at an average of 26 euros per copy, though of course there are a lot more costs with physical production, marketing and retailers taking their share etc.

 

who cares how many copies were sold, what's coming in the future, I'm only interested in when is the game going to be updated so what we have at the moment works as it should, I mean nearly 7 months on xbox unable to save setups, and game sync issues, then there's the frame rate, the worst of any released racing game on xbox. There's 2 pretty big issues, kunos is just ignoring the frame rate issues, no feedback what so ever on that issue. we been told twice they have mended the sync issue, no they haven't it now has even more issues, cant delete a setup now either, or overwrite one either if your lucky enough its still there when you turn xbox on. Then there's all the missing bits and pieces and the worst online multiplayer to be ever released on a racing game on xbox.
All this game is any good for is hot lapping, and that doesn't even record personal bests, never mind any other form of times.
I've stuck with this game from release bought all DLC and now I'm started to feel like I've been fleeced.

 

I hope no, but in my opinion we will not have the new important features like graphics performance, button mapping ecc but only some little bug fixes and some new free cars and maybe circuits for ps4 version. The greater improvements they will have in the next version of AC....AC2. I hope I'm wrong but if it will be so I'll be very disappointed.
It would be interesting to know what thinks kunos or 500Games.
Marco tell us something, please!!
I want to be clear, this is only my opinion/thought.

Fabio

 

It matters not. We'll all be racing on PCars2 by Christmas anyway.
AC is very impressive in the physics dept, but it's years behind even Forza 4 in every other respect, especially fun.

 

I think will be a sad situation but probably true.
I would like to know what are the causes of different treatment between the Pc version and consolle version. Dammit it's the same game!!
Fabio

 

@SlimCharles is right! Jump starts or false starts where in the 1.7 update together with the red pack...
The update landed 14th July 2016.
The console realese was 26th August in EU and 29th August in EEUU.

http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/assetto-corsa-v1-7-and-red-pack-available.34325/

The Red Pack landed in console last January... But "jump start" doesn't been implemented...

It's like The PC 1.10 Update that brought this feature together with Porsche Pack 2:

- Added brake pressure setup options for all cars

http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/assetto-corsa-v1-10-update-available.39379/

And that's other feature that don't been implemented in the console versions (Porsche Pack 2 arrived in January also on consoles)....

Before console versions launch there where multiple interviews to the devs...
Like Red Bull website :

What differences will players see between PC and console versions?
The difference is that in the PC version you get more frames per second, more cars when you're racing against others, and also the AI. On the PC the limit is your CPU, on the console we're at 16 players. One particularity of Assetto Corsa is that we're using the same physics for the artificial intelligence cars as for you.

http://www.redbull.com/en/games/stories/1331796496220/assetto-corsa-on-ps4-and-xbox-one-interview

Using Google and even youtube you can easily find answers that they don't want a "lazy port.." o That the versions will be equal as on PC but with less cars, new IU and no mods(obviously) ...

For more information .. We don’t have:

- Car Setup check system
- FFB min. Force option
- FFB gain per car option
- car descriptions.
- Information on loading screen like tyre model on that car..
- Showroom.
- Photomode.
- Camera setting app.
- FoV settings like on PC.
- Track type (green, optimum, old..)
- Initial grip level and progression.
- UDP applications compatibility.
- Drag mode
- Drag strips
- PB time table
- Multiple AI opponent selection
- No Drift circuit in practice mode
- We don't have button mapping
- We don't have pedal calibration
- No telemetry hud app
- No jump starts (said above)
- No brake pressure setup option (said above)
- No Trento Bodone hillclimb
- No BMW M4 Akrovopic (from PC bonus Pack 2)
- No Lamborghini Gallardo SL33( from PC bonus Pack 3)
- Majority of hud app missing.
- No ability to save replays from online
- no full race replays (3:11 minuts max in races and 1H in hotlap)
-No private Online server / lobbies (will come)
- No Custom Championships (will come)

And sure that quite some physics updates,tyre model updates and fixes are also still missing...

So yes.... There's quite a difference between console version and PC version.
And most things where in PC version way before the console version was launched.