Suspension and brake balance tuning for all cars

Some cars are not fun to drive and with the existing settings this can not be changed.For example BMW M4
This car has brake balance towards the front tires and huge understeer in mid corner,both things can not be corrected with the existing settings.I know that there is no such setting options for BMW M4 in real life and You're trying to mimic the real life,but it would be very useful to have such setting options.

 

You've just answered you're own question really.

Road cars typically have a very safe and stable Brake Bias, that is far forward to reduce the likelyhood of the rear losing traction under braking, so that's what we get in AC. Is it the quickest way round a circuit? No, definitely not, but we have to deal with IRL so we should here too, its part of the challenge of each vehicle.

Also if the front brake bias is causing you understeer MID corner then I'd suggest not braking mid corner. Plus it can be corrected, try the loud pedal

 

In real life I just will not buy this car or I will increase the front tires width to match the rear tires width which will solve both problems.Here I do not have such option.
Also in Live for Speed there is no real cars and you have every kind of settings which should make this game unrealistic but imo this game still has the best physics.
Sometimes we should not stick so hard to the real world.

 

...So in-game just don't drive the car?

Anyway, I think one of the great things about AC is the fact they try to portray the cars as close to real life as possible, and i think the majority of users would agree.

What would be the point of mastering each vehicle when you can just cheat and alter physics to make it easy? For example cars with huge power, or fully locked diffs, low aero or safe brake bias settings, they make each car unique and challenging. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Like you mention there are other games that do things differently, and by the sounds of it they may be more suited for your tastes.

 

So basically AC saved you huge money here.

The M4 with ABS isn't that bad, it's doable and it can do very good lap times (comparable to a Cayman S or a Lambo Countach on the same tyres).
It does require some adaptions of your driving style, you're correct there. Sometimes that is the lesson there: don't adapt the car, adapt yourself.

I do however understand where you're coming from. Sometimes you just can't get along with the handling of some of the cars.
For me it's the same with the Lotus (pretty much all of the Exige, Evora etc.). The setup options make it a bit better, but it's still a lotus.
In that case I usually try it for a couple of laps and then opt to driving something else that I like more.
That's why we have a lot of choice in AC.

The only reason why I still might look into driving some of the cars that I don't like is the single player championships, but I haven't looked at those for ages, so whatever …

Oh, and if you think that the M4 is bad on the brake, try the M3 E30 and be stunned by how it just won't stop.

 

At last I found how to reduce the understeer with this car(BMW M4),front 40 psi/rear 15 psi tyre air pressure.Took silver in special events at Nurburgring-sprint(GT) with 1:43.195
I have to make crazy setups in this game. :lol:
Work on the physics guys,it needs improvement.

 

M4 understeery?
Last time I took her for a spin , she was an oversteer queen.

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Don't waste your time guys.

 

Damn, I didn't see that.

40/15psi front/rear though Good luck with that.

 

I have achieved this for eighteen minutes gameplay,I'm an alien!:lol:
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198368392830/stats/244210/achievements/
The gold time is 1:40.998 with all aids and abs off.

 

Couldn't agree more.

If you want to alter the production cars beyond the point of reality then it no longer matters what your driving - enter the world of Forza and Gran Turismo where they should save on licensing costs and just create a bunch of phony/silly cars to crash about.

Whole reason I got into assetto was physics model and their attention to reality. It's now my favorite sim, even more so than iracing.

 

tbh, I don't see why a newbie wouldn't be allowed to make suggestions.

Now we don't have to agree with his suggestion and we may of course state so, but the suggestion is valid after all.

 

I'm not saying newcomers don't have the right to vioce their opinions. It was more pointed at the understeer thing than the request itself. But I learned my lesson that when someone who barely launched tha game says that physics are this or that, usually it means pointless arguments and that it will be a closed thread sooner or later.

Just like that guy who recently created a thread named "crazy physics.. (something something)". 3h in game time on a pad. I asked a few questions that could help with finding the issue, but he haven't posted since then.

I think (but I don't know) devs appreciate threads more that are done like the recent one by Stereo where he describes the issue in details rather than a random "work on the physics it's needed" statement thrown somewhere in the suggestions thread.

As for the request, I don't mind the suggestion and don't care really. I agree with everything that Gary already said and I'm convinced that KS will continue with the realistic approach.

 

Did it cross your mind that I want these options to simulate the real world better?
For example:
Try to brake with BMW M4 mid corner in Schwedenkreuz and Fuchsröhre(the last left corner).The car will understeer,which is exactly the opposite of the real world.Also before Schwedenkreuz brake downshift to fifth gear
and enter little faster off throttle,the car will understeer while this corner is famous with lift off oversteer.The situation is the same in Wippermann and Brunnchen,lift off mid corner without oversteer.

 

Weird, I just ran a 1.43.2xx on my second lap with no changes to the setup whatsoever.

 

Is that you in the car or are you just referring to this video made by someone else?

If the latter: you can't really judge the physics of a game by comparing it to a video that some other driver did.
That is, because the driving style and skill plays a major role here.

Also, do you know for sure that the car in the video was at default setup and tyres?
Really, too many unknown things …

 

I agree, Gold is achievable on base setup, no idea why those crazy pressures were necessary.

 

imagine what you could do with 40/15

 

In which universe you trying to fix the understeer by lowering the rear tyres' pressure ???

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OK I am not trolling you, maybe trying to help.. I just hadn't driven the m4 in quite some time as it simply has no good/close competition (cayman sorta). At any rate I recall it being very over-steer by nature and only finding under-steer with late turn-ins (missing apex). And I'm sorry but that's exactly what it is.. It took me exactly 3 laps to get into 1:41's, and I can assure you 1:40's would be next lap.. psi on all 4 tires was 26 cold and 34 warmed up (mid lap 1).. You certainly should not be setting your psi the way your describing.. your trying to force the car to behave how you want it to drive I am guessing..

Again, not trying to troll ya here.. But I think you might try braking early and making sure your hitting your apex and then coming on throttle..

nathanw