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True it has lot of other good, but not in where it matters most. If pCars 2 is good I will definitely buy it, never know. But not holding my breath.

 

As I said in my original post it could be argued its not a true sim there is no arguing that Pcars will outsell AC by a absolute mile mainly due to the massive amount of features available, Pcars 2 is having the tire model revamped and hopefully they will tweak the physics engine , as for Dirt Rally many people try this sim and try to drive the cars like a circuit car , it won't work like that a rally car is completely different even on tarmac , when you have a former British Rally Champion saying its the nearest thing he's tried to the real thing I would be inclined to believe him

 

Outsell yeah, good graphics interest wider audience than good physics. Easy to sell a game like that, people see videos and think it is something awesome they need to get. Physics and FFB aren't visible in videos and trailers, so AC never look as impressive as pCars for someone checking trailers about it, who isn't really a car enthusiast but more of a gamer. Many console reviewers didn't even test with a wheel or know what they were talking about, so AC got quite mediocre reviews (which affect sales a LOT). I don't see point in even buying (and especially reviewing) AC unless you have a wheel. Because it's all in the handling.

And what it comes to DiRT Rally, if someone says the tarmac handling is realistic, he's been paid. It's pretty common consensus in sim racing community, the tarmac handling just plain sucks. It just doesn't feel connected to road in plausible way, while on gravel it does. It was the main physics complaint in Inside Sim Racing review (probably biggest YouTube channel devoted to only racing sims), for example where they called it terrible.

Next free car in AC will be a rally car, so you can check how they should handle on tarmac

 

This is based on their opinion like I said " if its good enough for a British Rally champion " its good enough for me , I respect the opinion of the guys you mention but have they actually driven a WRC car flat out on tarmac to base that view on ? Actually really looking toward to the Audi , I've been lucky enough to see this car driven in anger a few times and the sound makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up

 

Here is kris Meeke saying Dirt 3 feels realistic



Dirt Rally on tarmac is just as simulation as Driveclub. I dont care what that rally driver says when on tarmac Dirt Rally feels completely unrealistic and light years from a benchmark in the matter like Assetto. Clearly that bristish champion has not proved SLRE, Automobilista or RBR or has been paid like @ShredatorFIN is saying.

 

Dirt 3 was a simcade and nothing like Dirt Rally , I'm pleased to hear you are obviously more knowledgeable and qualified to comment on rally physics than somebody that does it for a living, as I have already pointed out there is no point in trying to compare a rally sim to AC its a completely different discipline

 

Did you read my comment? Im afraid not.

You have there Kris Meeke saying Dirt 3 is realistic, when we all know that is very far from being true. That rally driver you are saying has been paid or have no knowledge about rally sims.

And because AC and Dirt Rally are different disciplines you can't compare the tarmac physics? No problem, in a month when they release the S1 E2 you'll have no excuses anymore to negate what already is the evidence.

 

You missed his point. Despite Dirt 3 being arcade, there was Rally driver who said it's realistic. Maybe he was paid, or maybe he had no comparison point (actual sims). Here you can see some marketing BS by several pro drivers, about pCars: http://www.projectcarsgame.com/testimonials.html

So, you can always find someone who will say that. Take it with grain of salt.

 

Maybe he had no comparison point !!!! He is a WRC professional driver how can he not have a comparison , I miss read your first point about Dirt 3 however I still make the point that Dirt Rally is not Dirt 3 , as I have already said I look toward to the Audi's introduction into AC very much , we will see what it feels like , but I do stand by my point that we as Sim users cannot make an accurate judgment on whether something is right or wrong unless any of us have actually driven any of the vehicles

 

For the love of God, you actually read just 3 words of messages other people write, before writing your own? I give up

 

I completely agree with your point about Kris Meeke he was obviously on the pay roll , I was just pointing out that he is a current WRC driver and should no what he's talking about better than any of us a sim is a simulation which cannot fully convey a true driving experience

 

Whilst I believe you about Rally drivers saying DR is realistic as I have seen it myself too, show me where they were actually referring to tarmac, I bet they were strictly talking about gravel and likely didn't even try tarmac. Tarmac is terrible in DR and it doesn't matter if it's a rally car or race car, tarmac should still feel the same.

 

Amazing news, and they just released more screenshots:



http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/more-unreal-4-simbin-in-game-gtr-3-shots-released.131425/

Looks really good. Can't wait to see some weather gameplay.

 

That looks incredible, can't wait

 

Get your tin hat on mate. People have been publicly shot in these forums for making such "ridiculous" claims!

 

The more sims the better, especially as they all look different even if they have the same content.

 

Edit: Found some gameplay footage on Youtube:

 

http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/pcars-2-announcement-trailer-released-massive-q-a.131576/
Long interview between RD and Ian Bell about tracks, AI, network, physics, pad driving and other things.
PS: Sorry for the double post, but I'm unable to edit the previous one.

 

Looks like they fixed the shy AI.
Really excited by this. Could be the one we've been waiting for.

 

Excellent new pCARS2 article over on IGN:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/02/13/project-cars-2-taking-the-fight-to-forza-gran-turismo

3 things really caught my attention:

- handling that is realistic, not difficult for the sake of being difficult. They really talk up the ability to push the cars and handle them over the limit.
- Championships organised within the game - no need for all the usual nonsense that goes with joining externally hosted race leagues.
- Competitive race licence - this is the big one for me if this works as described it will be remarkable.

The competitive racing licence will track how you race in Project CARS 2 and is made up of three elements: your racecraft (basically how professional you are, and it will be impacted when you’re involved in accidents, cut the track, and ignore rules or flags), your ranking (an Elo rating determined by your performances against other players), and finally an indicator of your seniority based on how long you’ve been playing.

“On a very basic surface level it removes toxic behaviour from the game, which is extremely important,” says Tudor. “It means that when you go into a game you’re not going to be playing with people who are not of the same competitiveness to you, and are not being griefers.”​